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[Loismustdie 0]

u mean u hope to see him a victim of a fraudulent trial? and then being executed as revenge?

I don't think you are retarded. You seem to be a semi functional human being. I can't figure out for the life of me what is wrong with other non- retarded people just like you. Maybe it's time to broaden the classic definition of retarded to include leftist idiocy. That may be the answer. That could work out well... you would qualify for all kinds of grants and programs, maybe even a handicapped space. I will see what I can do.

[NickTheKid 0]

Either I'm a horrible writer that can't get the message across, or some people have issues with reading comprehension. As I said in my blog, having thoughts of ripping Vick to shreds are not healthy and are wrong, but that's the first thought that came to my mind, hence the term first instinct. Here is an example for you that must help clairify things: Your daughter has been raped and some evidence points towards the mailman. You aren't even sure if it was the mailman, but that's your prime suspect. Ask yourself the following: what do you honestly believe your first reaction would be? The reaction that you feel before even thinking about the fact that it's not necessarily the mailman? Be honest. I'd tell you what my first thought would be, WHERE IS HE!!!!!!!!!! A little Jack Bauer-esque maybe. Obviously after I thougth about it, I'd then realize that I need to make sure it's him before I do anything stupid. With the Vick case, it seemed ridiculously obvious that he was a prime suspect. If he was found completely innocent than those thoughts might change from anger to empathy for a guy who was falsly accused of a horrible crime. OJ Simpson was judged innocent of murder. I still think he should be punished for the crime. I don't care what the jury said, I beleive he is guilty and should be punished. Michael Jackson is someone I beleive to be a child molester. I can't prove it, and he was never convicted of a crime, but I promise you this, my children would not be having a slumber party over at the Jacko pad. Now that Vick is guilty in the court of law, it's "ok" to be angry at what he did. Based on several of the arguments, having any prejudice towards two 'innocent" men in OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson would be deemed wrong and ignorant. IMO, beleiving that Vick wasn't guilty even before his admission was slightly naive and ignorant. Far too many smoking guns for him to be totally innocent. The level of involvement was certainly questionable, but what was absolutley clear was that he was involved. That's enough for me, even if all he did was own the house and knew what was happening. That much was a clear fact: he woned a house where dog fighting took place. That was never in question.

DN, just, my only suggestion would be to try to not let a quick emotional response. Yes, in your example, well never having a child (not yet anyway), but hell, I'd be emotional too... but I mean really... the courts are there for a reason. A fair trail judged by 12 men and a Judge. I'm not a vulcan, but I'm getting sick of the "jumping the gun" that goes on, mostly in America... *ahem*

[coesillian 0]

I think "PotOdds RAC" addresses this issue quite well in another thread.

who's more foolish: the fool, or the person who follows the fool?

[All_In 0]

I don't think you are retarded. You seem to be a semi functional human being. I can't figure out for the life of me what is wrong with other non- retarded people just like you. Maybe it's time to broaden the classic definition of retarded to include leftist idiocy. That may be the answer. That could work out well... you would qualify for all kinds of grants and programs, maybe even a handicapped space. I will see what I can do.

i truely wonder how closely u followed the trial.i read up on it practically every day. and i know for a FACT that hardly anything about it was mentioned in the american media during this time. that is no conspiracy, that is the truth.if u followed it AT ALL, u would know it was a sham trail, and how it was based on revenge. inter'l rights committees/lawyer groups etc. kept telling anyone who would listen it was a sham. all u had to do was read about what was occurring, on almost a daily basis.don't u know that 4 of his lawyers were shot and killed, and that was just near the beginning of the trail? the whole trial itself was a joke.do u even know what he was convicted of??? it wasn't for gassing kurds.not saying he was a good guy, which i think u r inferring. just another example of mob justice.

[Loismustdie 0]

i truely wonder how closely u followed the trial.i read up on it practically every day. and i know for a FACT that hardly anything about it was mentioned in the american media during this time. that is no conspiracy, that is the truth.if u followed it AT ALL, u would know it was a sham trail, and how it was based on revenge. inter'l rights committees/lawyer groups etc. kept telling anyone who would listen it was a sham. all u had to do was read about what was occurring, on almost a daily basis.don't u know that 4 of his lawyers were shot and killed, and that was just near the beginning of the trail? the whole trial itself was a joke.do u even know what he was convicted of??? it wasn't for gassing kurds.not saying he was a good guy, which i think u r inferring. just another example of mob justice.

Please. He deserved to die,for a thousand reasons, end of story. The fact that it was supposedly necessary to hold a trial in the first place is what made it a sham. You know what makes you retarded? You followed a trial that you know is a sham, about a guy that would most definitely die and most definitely should die and that is exactly how it was going to end... and you still followed the story? For what? The story already had an ending, which is perfectly fine by me and most of the rest of the world. Except for people like you... "This trial is a sham!!" No shit, Sherlock. Were going to kill him.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

I find the whole thing a bit off putting, in that babies are aborted daily and nobody wants the aborting mother killed. What Vick did is disgusting and shows underlying psychological issues, but let's have some perspective. Dogs. Humans. Priorities, people.

I can think of other behaviors...

i truely wonder how closely u followed the trial.i read up on it practically every day. and i know for a FACT that hardly anything about it was mentioned in the american media during this time. that is no conspiracy, that is the truth.if u followed it AT ALL, u would know it was a sham trail, and how it was based on revenge. inter'l rights committees/lawyer groups etc. kept telling anyone who would listen it was a sham. all u had to do was read about what was occurring, on almost a daily basis.don't u know that 4 of his lawyers were shot and killed, and that was just near the beginning of the trail? the whole trial itself was a joke.do u even know what he was convicted of??? it wasn't for gassing kurds.not saying he was a good guy, which i think u r inferring. just another example of mob justice.

I would ban you, if I could. Or at least delete every thread you start that has anything to do with government, law, government officials that are no longer in office, government officials that are in office, anything to do with America, anything to do with Americans, pretty much any topic that has anything to do with anything other than the odds of a straight flush draw versus a set. There are so many other forums and venues you could take your vitriolic nonsense, yet, you choose to grace our little poker forum. It drives me just short of bat-shit crazy, to see every new topic that you make in Off Topic- General.I guess that's why I'm not a Mod. Carry on.

[Tiltinagain 973]

Daniel...if you are a member of a Christian church, I was wondering what your pastor might say about the Vick case, and your take on it.

Well, maybe they can ask the Catholic Priest that will be helping Michael Jackson watch all those damn kids!!

[Tiltinagain 973]

DN, just, my only suggestion would be to try to not let a quick emotional response. Yes, in your example, well never having a child (not yet anyway), but hell, I'd be emotional too... but I mean really... the courts are there for a reason. A fair trail judged by 12 men and a Judge. I'm not a vulcan, but I'm getting sick of the "jumping the gun" that goes on, mostly in America... *ahem*

DN making a quick, emotional response??? Are you out of your mind!!??BTW...how are you and Lori liking those electric cars DN??

[All_In 0]

Please. He deserved to die,for a thousand reasons, end of story. The fact that it was supposedly necessary to hold a trial in the first place is what made it a sham. You know what makes you retarded? You followed a trial that you know is a sham, about a guy that would most definitely die and most definitely should die and that is exactly how it was going to end... and you still followed the story? For what? The story already had an ending, which is perfectly fine by me and most of the rest of the world. Except for people like you... "This trial is a sham!!" No shit, Sherlock. Were going to kill him.

way to be the bastion of democracy and human rights.U-S-A! U-S-A!

[All_In 0]

I can think of other behaviors...I would ban you, if I could. Or at least delete every thread you start that has anything to do with government, law, government officials that are no longer in office, government officials that are in office, anything to do with America, anything to do with Americans, pretty much any topic that has anything to do with anything other than the odds of a straight flush draw versus a set. There are so many other forums and venues you could take your vitriolic nonsense, yet, you choose to grace our little poker forum. It drives me just short of bat-shit crazy, to see every new topic that you make in Off Topic- General.I guess that's why I'm not a Mod. Carry on.

LOLban the messenger! keep your head in the sand! freedom of speech, as long as u agree with me and u minimize the thinking involved!btw, it's a free society, right? don't reply, end of story. sheesh.

[Tiltinagain 973]

LOLban the messenger! keep your head in the sand! freedom of speech, as long as u agree with me and u minimize the thinking involved!btw, it's a free society, right? don't reply, end of story. sheesh.

Is this your first day?The first amendment protects you from the government, not FCP!!

[Miguel McHarris 0]

Is this your first day?The first amendment protects you from the government, not FCP!!

All_In's good for a laugh. Whenever you someone says "I have the right to say it," it's usually following some lame assertion or blanket statement. He's basically playing follow the leader with the far left, step for step. The far right is the same way and it's amazing how many people of any given nationality are so intellectually lazy.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

LOLban the messenger! keep your head in the sand! freedom of speech, as long as u agree with me and u minimize the thinking involved!btw, it's a free society, right? don't reply, end of story. sheesh.

LOL @ Freedom of Speech on an internet message board, you dizzy cunt.You are obviously unaware that your target audience is not a bunch of drunk, degenerate, problem gamblers on a poker forum. If we wanted to be educated, this vast wonderland of propaganda that is the internet offers us all the information we need, and we would seek it out accordingly.Take your leftist, fascist, socialist, nonsensical garbage, and shove it up your ass. Sidenote: I know how fancy your kind are on the letter 'u' (labour, colour, etc.), but, the word is spelled, 'you'. Thanks.

[KONGOS 0]

who's more foolish: the fool, or the person who follows the fool?

I think what he said was quite relevant sarcasm. I think if you read it, you'll probably agree.

[florent38 0]

A little Jack Bauer-esque maybe.

TELL ME WHERE THE GODDAMN BOMB IS !!Sorry, a huge fan of 24 couldn't let this go unnoticed.

Your daughter has been raped and some evidence points towards the mailman. You aren't even sure if it was the mailman, but that's your prime suspect. Ask yourself the following: what do you honestly believe your first reaction would be? The reaction that you feel before even thinking about the fact that it's not necessarily the mailman? Be honest.

No mail for this neighborhood today, and a multi-pieces mailman puzzle burried in a wasteland.But that's why I'm happy that there is no death penalty in my country, and the "eye for eye" statement isn't a law.Even if IMHO, some criminals deserve it, I'm deeply convinced that it provides no good to the victim's families or the public, other than a revenge feeling.I think it's mainly a political argument, because most of the US people are pro-death penalty.I understood it was only a "first-thought" reaction. And I would have the same against Vick, liking animals a lot too. But I also think, even if it could be naïve or ignorant, that the public and media should not throw rocks at accused people too quickly.A fast example (happened in north of France 4 or 5 years ago) : a few families were accused of having participated in a global pedophile network with their own children, and all the media were really quick to blame them and point their fingers at them.After several months of trial, many of them were then found innocent, but their reputation was made, and their life were destroyed. What could have happened then if the death penalty was allowed here ? Would ten people have been killed, just because the media and public pressure (even based only on accusations, not on facts) was very high ? Can't say now.But a judiciary system was put in place in every civilized country, and I think we should all (even if we know the outcome of a trial at 99.99%) let it make its job without creating any kind of pressure. (Although I don't think a poker player blog or forum would have any influence at all, I'm mainly talking about media and mass-public opinion here)

[Aces88 0]

iTs a Doggy Dog world.I bet my money on that D.N and he's wife r gonna be happily married for 50+ years.

[Seymour Bluffs 0]

Not being an NFL fan I never heard of the dude until this incident!But from what I have read he sounds like a bit of an A Hole with a bad attitude!Anyhoo found this video and gave me a laugh so decided this would be a good time to share!!McGruff Strikes back

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

I think what he said was quite relevant sarcasm. I think if you read it, you'll probably agree.

You gotta understand. Coesillian and I have had some other discussions in the past and he doesn't share my Points of View - that makes me a "fool" and invalidates my views on everything.He's pretty smart.

[Hockey Guy 4]

TELL ME WHERE THE GODDAMN BOMB IS !!Sorry, a huge fan of 24 couldn't let this go unnoticed. No mail for this neighborhood today, and a multi-pieces mailman puzzle burried in a wasteland.But that's why I'm happy that there is no death penalty in my country, and the "eye for eye" statement isn't a law.Even if IMHO, some criminals deserve it, I'm deeply convinced that it provides no good to the victim's families or the public, other than a revenge feeling.I think it's mainly a political argument, because most of the US people are pro-death penalty.I understood it was only a "first-thought" reaction. And I would have the same against Vick, liking animals a lot too. But I also think, even if it could be naïve or ignorant, that the public and media should not throw rocks at accused people too quickly.A fast example (happened in north of France 4 or 5 years ago) : a few families were accused of having participated in a global pedophile network with their own children, and all the media were really quick to blame them and point their fingers at them.After several months of trial, many of them were then found innocent, but their reputation was made, and their life were destroyed. What could have happened then if the death penalty was allowed here ? Would ten people have been killed, just because the media and public pressure (even based only on accusations, not on facts) was very high ? Can't say now.But a judiciary system was put in place in every civilized country, and I think we should all (even if we know the outcome of a trial at 99.99%) let it make its job without creating any kind of pressure. (Although I don't think a poker player blog or forum would have any influence at all, I'm mainly talking about media and mass-public opinion here)

I'm Canadian & against the death penalty also mainly because too many mistakes are made in our judicial system.In your example the death penalty is administered after the trial(a trial in which they were aquitted)so my answer would be no 10 people would not have been killed. Also were they INNOCENT or found NOT GUILTY? There is a big difference. If they were 100% INNOCENT there should be a big media blitz and get that out to the public(I know this would only happen in a perfect world).My only problem with the INNOCENT until proven GUILTY crowd is if you really believe this then every person awaiting trial for ANYTHING should be released back into society with absolutely no restrictions to live in your(& I don't mean yours literally) neighborhood to await the trial. They haven't been convicted of anything so why have them locked up since they are INNOCENT. This concept is lawyer talk for I think I can get him off so don't blame me for all the loopholes. After all attornies(& I have nothing against them)don't try to choose the jury to come to the CORRECT & JUST verdict but for the verdict they want. I also agree nothing said on a poker forum will sway a jury & if it does we as a society are in big trouble.

[Figger 0]

u mean u hope to see him a victim of a fraudulent trial? and then being executed as revenge?

No, I was thinking more of hanging him by his balls, until they snapped off.But I didn't think an actual picture of that would be appropriate viewing, so I went with a conventional hanging.JACKASS !!

[florent38 0]

In your example the death penalty is administered after the trial(a trial in which they were aquitted)so my answer would be no 10 people would not have been killed.

There was a first trial, and then an appeal. So they might have been in trouble.

Also were they INNOCENT or found NOT GUILTY? There is a big difference. If they were 100% INNOCENT there should be a big media blitz and get that out to the public(I know this would only happen in a perfect world).

They were innocent. Only accused by members of the organizations. And the truth seemed hard to find because the children told things that were not easy to interpret and clarify, leading the media to think each family was a part of this crime.Really a hard trial...

My only problem with the INNOCENT until proven GUILTY crowd is if you really believe this then every person awaiting trial for ANYTHING should be released back into society with absolutely no restrictions to live in your(& I don't mean yours literally) neighborhood to await the trial.

I think the trial should happen real soon after the accusation (within a month), and the people accused should be arrested and placed in specific places, but not jails. So they're not confronted to real criminals if it's later revealed that they're in fact innocents.It might be a detention center, but they should not be thrown in a cell.But what do I know, I didn't do any law studies. PS : If you happen to be a judge one day, please don't release criminals in my (and I mean mine literally) neighborhood.

[20TN40 0]

But that's why I'm happy that there is no death penalty in my country, and the "eye for eye" statement isn't a law.Even if IMHO, some criminals deserve it, I'm deeply convinced that it provides no good to the victim's families or the public, other than a revenge feeling.I think it's mainly a political argument, because most of the US people are pro-death penalty.

In YOUR country, are the average folks working their arse off to keep these convicted people up in a jail with free room and board, college studies, cable TV, not working lazy good for nothing.........damn! Just to think a portion of my taxes is going to go to keeping Vick up while I slave away at my JOB!And I'm not real sure why I need 12 people to explain to me why Vick might or might not be quilty?!? He owned the house where this was ALLOWED to happen so if he wasn't part of it, he should have been keeping closer dibs on his home security system.

[florent38 0]

In YOUR country, are the average folks working their arse off to keep these convicted people up in a jail with free room and board, college studies, cable TV, not working lazy good for nothing.........damn! Just to think a portion of my taxes is going to go to keeping Vick up while I slave away at my JOB!And I'm not real sure why I need 12 people to explain to me why Vick might or might not be quilty?!? He owned the house where this was ALLOWED to happen so if he wasn't part of it, he should have been keeping closer dibs on his home security system.

We have a very high taxes level here... And yes, it pays to keep our criminals in jail too.But if it can prevent them to commit other crimes, I'm ready to pay for it.I can't pay taxes knowing it would pay for a lethal injection, event if it would be 1,000 times cheaper than paying to keep the same guy in a cell for the rest of his life.But I understand people who are pro-death penalty.

[Balloon guy 158]

We have a very high taxes level here... And yes, it pays to keep our criminals in jail too.But if it can prevent them to commit other crimes, I'm ready to pay for it.I can't pay taxes knowing it would pay for a lethal injection, event if it would be 1,000 times cheaper than paying to keep the same guy in a cell for the rest of his life.But I understand people who are pro-death penalty.

The French penal system is known for it's punishments, not its reabilitation record.I think you should really not judge the American system until you fix your own.Not killing someone is not the same as treating criminals humanely.

[All_In 0]

LOL @ Freedom of Speech on an internet message board, you dizzy cunt.Take your leftist, fascist,....Sidenote: I know how fancy your kind are on the letter 'u' (labour, colour, etc.), but, the word is spelled, 'you'. Thanks.

it's safe to say that u, and others here, while beating your chests about how great america is and what it stands for, in your core, u do not hold those same morals.very hypocritical.i think your reply also meant that u fully endorse mob justice, and basically have no regard for laws, courts, etc. that says a lot.