BlunderCheck 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A. CO posts a blind of $0.05. UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.Flop: (16 SB) 8, 5, 6(8 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds.Turn: (12.50 BB) 9(4 players)UTG+2 bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Hero folds.the pot says no but, the number of players and limit says someones got that 7 ;//...i probably would have played it differently if not so many people entered on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 wow, way too many players in the pot.. I fold, someone has a 7 Link to post Share on other sites
sabes99 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 wow, way too many players in the pot.. I fold, someone has a 7 Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey Guy 4 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Obvious call in limit at those stakes. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Obvious call in limit at those stakes.seriously?We beat nothing here... Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I fold.He played it exactly like a 7. Link to post Share on other sites
BlunderCheck 0 Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 well the hand finished like this and i went on tilt ;p, lol, not really but stopped playing after thisRiver: (14.50 BB) A (2 players)UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks.Final Pot: 14.50 BBResults in white below: UTG+2 has Kd 9d (one pair, nines). MP3 has Jd 9s (one pair, nines). Outcome: UTG+2 wins 14.50 BB. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Wow.I kinda hesitated to post saying I'd fold because an argument can certainly be made for calling down.The pot is so huge.It's probably +EV, or at worst =EV to call down here as long as we fold to any raise. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 I fully expected someone to have a seven.. without the results I still fold but it wouldn't be a happy fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 please please dont ever post results that quickly. Link to post Share on other sites
BlunderCheck 0 Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 Yes boss lol, sry, i'll keep that in mind for next time Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 yeah because no one will belive now that I don't think he played it enough like a 7 to fold - at least not instantlyBut sometimes like two pair or worse - if he thinks you raise a draw o the flop, he may lead woth just a pair here, for sure.* People forget to think about how a player would play a hand when THEY DON'T have us beat *Now, I dont know if I'd conclude to call down, just that we can analtyze it.Figure:Combos the other two players can haveassign likelihoodsassign your outs (or thier outs) vs the combosdetermine your action on the river for various cardsand then you can determine if callnig down is good.Generally in big pot hands, you'll find villain can have enough hands that seeing SD is better that you first think.Some hands you may call turn and fold some rivers, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Am I wrong in thinking that this is not only not an easy fold, but it's an easy call-down? That pot is just sick-crazy huge. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 (Also, adjust for how low the limit is.) Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 My line here? I raise and fold to a 3-bet. Seriously. A seven pops us back. And we can check the river even if an ace comes off. We'd like to show this hand down, but don't want to get into any weird spots. It's impossible to 3-bet this board w/o a 7, I think, and we might occassionally get a goofy hand like 2-pair to fold.Wnag Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 My line here? I raise and fold to a 3-bet. Seriously. A seven pops us back. And we can check the river even if an ace comes off. We'd like to show this hand down, but don't want to get into any weird spots. It's impossible to 3-bet this board w/o a 7, I think, and we might occassionally get a goofy hand like 2-pair to fold.WnagI think you're getting too cute for .5/.10 Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 UTG+2 could potentially play it very similarly with xd9d. MP3 also doesn't seem to have a 7...and seems to be on a draw. In fact, the board's so draw heavy that I think we do need to call down in this huge pot. I can actually see Wang's point in raising the turn to charge them and pick up a free showdown...though I think we do have to fold if we run into any raises. Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey Guy 4 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 obviously the caller on the turn didn't have a 7. I don't see how you fold for 10 CENTS into this pot. It most likely cost you 20 CENTS to call this down. In limit with the pot size you only have to win a small percentage of the time to make this correct. This is an easy call and notice I said this earlier before he posted the results. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 obviously the caller on the turn didn't have a 7. I don't see how you fold for 10 CENTS into this pot. It most likely cost you 20 CENTS to call this down. In limit with the pot size you only have to win a small percentage of the time to make this correct. This is an easy call and notice I said this earlier before he posted the results. Enjoy Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 obviously the caller on the turn didn't have a 7. I don't see how you fold for 10 CENTS into this pot. It most likely cost you 20 CENTS to call this down. In limit with the pot size you only have to win a small percentage of the time to make this correct. This is an easy call and notice I said this earlier before he posted the results.The fact that you're referring to bets by their specific dollar (or, in this case, fraction of a dollar) amount leads me to believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If the players play the same, and the action has gone the same, is this somehow not a call in a 10/20 (dollars) game?Wang Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Well if you assume the players at higher stakes are better than and micro blinds, then there's an argument for it.At in low limit poker, a lot of players miss the possible straight or flush on the board and play their top pair like it's the nuts, i would probably call it down (though tbf i have seen the result) but i don't think folding is unacceptable. Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey Guy 4 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 The fact that you're referring to bets by their specific dollar (or, in this case, fraction of a dollar) amount leads me to believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If the players play the same, and the action has gone the same, is this somehow not a call in a 10/20 (dollars) game?WangIt's probably more of a call in a 10/20 game.Guy Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 My line here? I raise and fold to a 3-bet. Seriously. A seven pops us back. And we can check the river even if an ace comes off. We'd like to show this hand down, but don't want to get into any weird spots. It's impossible to 3-bet this board w/o a 7, I think, and we might occassionally get a goofy hand like 2-pair to fold.Wnagwe have a 7 so rarely here, that we could be 3-bet off of this by a thinking player and the pot would be huge.We also lose our chance to outdraw two pair Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 havent read replies....isnt this a flop we could consider just calling and then raising a safe turn on? pair+ draw is about 50/50 with us, we cant protect our hand even a little, and while we do have some equity with 3 others in, we would have much better equity on a blank turn.pot's big , but our opponents would have to be pretty bad for us to have them beat (not that they arent, my theory is they're retarded til proven otherwise).the only good thing about this hand is our position. we can call the turn closing the turn and river closing the action, and fold to a raise. Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 we have a 7 so rarely here, that we could be 3-bet off of this by a thinking player and the pot would be huge.We also lose our chance to outdraw two pairThings that all have to happen for Actuary disaster scenario to come to bear:1) We are ahead with AA2) A player with a worse hand -- or hand against which we are drawing very live-- 3-bets3) We still win on river, or out drawSooooo unlikely. A thinking player is not going to say, "I have top pair, and even though this other solid player has shown an absurd amount of strength and the pot is huge, and even though there are about 300000 other players in the pot, I'm going to 3-bet here, hoping the good player showing strength can fold JJ-AA for a single extra bet, nobody has a random two pair or a set or a straight, and that I'll win this huge pot."Noooope. If we do get 3-bet, it's usually when we're drawing to 0 or 2 outs.Wang Link to post Share on other sites
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