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I seem to be one of the rare ones on this forum that sticks to NL. I really want to master this game before i switch to limit. I've done plenty of reading on limit but know i can't really apply it to my NL game.so i'm wondering if there's some good reading for NL cash games. besides the supersystems.

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To go along with this post, I also stick mainly to NL cash games and was wondering what a good BB/100 rate is, if there is one, or if there is another way I should gauge my earning. I mainly play .50/1 NL and only single table for about 500 or 600 hands per day. Thanks for the input.JEFF

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I'm confused as to what you're asking. You say you want to switch to limit but you ask about no limit cash games. If you're working on mastering no limit, stick to tourneys until you feel confident enough to hit the ring games. Tourneys are different from live games in that you have to be more patient. There aren't any levels so you don't have to rush. I'm sure you already know this, but I'm just trying to be thorough. If you're trying to make a living out of it, I wouldn't suggest no limit. There are/have been many players who can play no limit for a living, but on the whole it's much safer to play high-limit limit ring games (like 15/30 or higher). Take care.

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just because i really want to master NL and then want to play lmit doesn't meant that i'm going to ditch NL for good.I just want to make sure I understand NL before i start playing limit, that's all.

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There aren't really any good books (besides SS and SS2) about NL cash games, since capped NL games are a relatively new beast. That said, the swings are pretty nasty in NL games, which is why many of us have decided to avoid them. I'm not sure how you are going to "master" NL games, since I don't believe that anyone has mastered or will master it, but whenever you've decided that you've attained mastery, realize that you are going to have to be really patient in limit, since you will see many more of your strong hands outdrawn.

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Sapphire, I started out playing NL cash games.Some friends and I started playing for nickels around a year ago. Then, after playing for play money over the summer, I decided to deposit some money in the fall and start playing on a site.I started with $20+$2 bonus and played .05/.10 NL. Once I worked that up to a few hundred, I started moving up levels. At one point, I got as high as 2/4...though I was more regularly playing .50/1 and 1/2. However, I had to take out a big chunk of bankroll, and I couldn't quite handle the swings after that...so I've gone back to my bread and butter level of .25/.50.Whenever I tried limit, the results were pretty frustrating. However, after playing O8B limit for quite a while, I started to get a feel for limit games...so I've tried to improve my LHE. So far, I've been pretty successful at .50/1 and 1/2 (full ring and short-handed). Sometimes, I miss the gigantic NL pots...but it is a bit more steady.Finally, in the past month or so, I've moved to playing a lot of tourneys...particularly NLHE single-tables. I've been crushing the $20-$30 levels. I actually find that this has been an extremely steady source of income.I'm not quite sure why I typed all of this...other than to say that you can quite easily start out at NL ring games and spread out from there. I think I've made a bulk of my money through NL ring, but I'm also enjoying the diversity of games lately.As far as reading material...I haven't found a whole lot of information about the game. I guess I've just adapted a lot of the stuff that I learned about limit and NL tournaments. Basically, be patient (it can eat a whole lot of time), pick the right tables, and find the fish.

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A good tactic for beginners is a plan I saw smash outline a long time ago:1. Play only pairs and suited aces preflop2. If you flop a set or a flush, go all in3. ProfitThere you have it.  You've mastered NL cash games.  It really is that easy.
first off...i know smash's tactics and it's really only for low NL play with a bunch of fish. aka online play.and you didn't quite get it right.second of all...you said it was a good tactic for beginners. but then said that if you appy it then you've mastered NL cash games.anyway, i probably should clarify, i shoudn't have said mastered. I just want to understand the game very very well.
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second of all...you said it was a good tactic for beginners.  but then said that if you appy it then you've mastered NL cash games.anyway, i probably should clarify, i shoudn't have said mastered.  I just want to understand the game very very well.
Alright, I just noticed that you added this on after you posted.I must have forgotten the [sw] on the "mastered" part. It was a joke. Don't kill me.Just play. There's only so much reading can do for you. That's probably the best advice you could get, provided you've read some or most of Sklansky's stuff, the supersystems, and TJ's book.
looking back at my post i realized that i sounded a bit short, when that wasn't my intention and i apologize.I've read sklansky but a lot of it doesn't apply to NL play.but i disagree about the reading...i think you can always learn new things and read more things.and to correct what Smash's strategy was...fold unless you hit a set or a flush draw.bet a lot if you hit your flush
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I seem to be one of the rare ones on this forum that sticks to NL.  I really want to master this game before i switch to limit. I've done plenty of reading on limit but know i can't really apply it to my NL game.so i'm wondering if there's some good reading for NL cash games.  besides the supersystems.
I stick to mainly nl cash games and tournaments, myself. I've asked a very similar question before and never really got any replys to it. My main question is this. How should you vary your strategy from nl cash games to tournaments? I know tournaments are a different animal altogether but I'm not sure which parts of my tournament game to alter while playing cash games.
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(online and live' date=' an online $25NL table plays lightyears ahead of the $200NL live games)' date=' :-)[/quote'']Care to elaborate?
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Blind stealing is pointless. My theory is that you need to trap more in cash games than in tourneys. Sit back, wait for good cards. I dont know exactly how to explain it. Its just a different feel for me.

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Blind stealing is pointless. My theory is that you need to trap more in cash games than in tourneys. Sit back, wait for good cards. I dont know exactly how to explain it. Its just a different feel for me.
I prety much agree with you. I know a lot of people say blind stealing is what makes you the better player in a short handed game, but I have never really felt like the blinds were adding much to my overall profit. More than anything, I blind steal to get people tired of me pounding on them and try to play back at me. Hopefully when they do this, they can run into a hand and I can trap them.
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but I have never really felt like the blinds were adding much to my overall profit.play 3 and 4 handed then and see what happens when you "don't steal blinds"
I do played 3 and 4 handed. and I do steal blinds. I just don't emphasize it the same way as I do in a tournament. Stealing blinds in these short handed games basically just keeps me afloat waiting for a hand. I don't really see a whole lot of accumulation from them. Although, I could probably get really blinded out if I wasn't active preflop.
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I stick to mainly nl cash games and tournaments, myself. I've asked a very similar question before and never really got any replys to it. My main question is this. How should you vary your strategy from nl cash games to tournaments? I know tournaments are a different animal altogether but I'm not sure which parts of my tournament game to alter while playing cash games.
I'm not trying to pass myself off as an expert. But as someone who predominantly plays NL, my observation is that the focus in cash games and tournaments is different. In cash games, the idea is to win the most money. It doesn't end your day if you bust out because if it's a good game, you can rebuy and keep shooting. However, in tournaments the goal is to survive. Obviously there are similarities, but this difference affects the way I approach certain situations.For example, I agree with some posters about blind stealing. For me, in cash games blind stealing is about worthless. Sure, someone's going to steal a dime or quarter from me once in a while. But I don't really care because when I trap them with the best hand, they're going to double me up. Also, it seems silly to risk 1-2$ to win 25 cents. The payoff isn't the blinds. It's the double up with the monster hand.However, in a tournament well timed stealing can be vital to accumulating chips. And you want to defend your blinds sometimes so that you don't keep getting picked on.
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