NoBBiR 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Opponent is TIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTt, Like AA KK QQ AK tight (but this is only over a small sample so I dunno if maybe hes just cold decked). I don't know that he double barrels AK though, or raises that flop. I guess leading is stupid on the flop if i think above is his range. Whats a better way to play the hand? I folded turn assuming that i could just be drawing to a flush and the board is paired.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($10.35)Hero ($36.05)BB ($12.20)UTG ($1.60)UTG+1 ($10.30)MP1 ($5.75)MP2 ($6.55)MP3 ($1.90)CO ($10.55)Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K. 5 folds, CO raises to $0.4, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold.Flop: ($0.90) 8, T, 7(2 players)Hero bets $0.6, CO raises to $2.1, Hero calls $1.50.Turn: ($5.10) T(2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $3, Hero folds.Final Pot: $5.10 Link to post Share on other sites
channjalen2003 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Opponent is TIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTt, Like AA KK QQ AK tight (but this is only over a small sample so I dunno if maybe hes just cold decked). I don't know that he double barrels AK though, or raises that flop. I guess leading is stupid on the flop if i think above is his range. Whats a better way to play the hand? I folded turn assuming that i could just be drawing to a flush and the board is paired.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($10.35)Hero ($36.05)BB ($12.20)UTG ($1.60)UTG+1 ($10.30)MP1 ($5.75)MP2 ($6.55)MP3 ($1.90)CO ($10.55)Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K. 5 folds, CO raises to $0.4, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold.Flop: ($0.90) 8, T, 7(2 players)Hero bets $0.6, CO raises to $2.1, Hero calls $1.50.Turn: ($5.10) T(2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $3, Hero folds.Final Pot: $5.10My advice would be to quit poker and shoot yourself. You fold the nut draw for 3 bucks. He has 6 of his 10 bucks into this pot. Even if heart comes he cannot lay down aces or kings. See the river. A or K you can make a crying call, but heart is nuts. I would have pushed on flop. Although the limits are smaller than I have ever played,but if I had 200 in this spot and was covered and the same percentage of money was committed I would do the same. Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 My advice would be to quit poker and shoot yourself. You fold the nut draw for 3 bucks. He has 6 of his 10 bucks into this pot. Even if heart comes he cannot lay down aces or kings. See the river. A or K you can make a crying call, but heart is nuts. I would have pushed on flop. Although the limits are smaller than I have ever played,but if I had 200 in this spot and was covered and the same percentage of money was committed I would do the same.Orly? Link to post Share on other sites
sierradave 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Heart certainly isn't the nuts, but given the mega-tight image, do we really put villain on a full house or quads here? We've got 15 outs against JJ and QQ, 12 against KK, 9 against AA. Getting 2.66-to-1, knowing the guy is pot-committed enough here to probably have to pay off a heart, but not so deep that we get buried if we hit and he has a boat, I think this is a call on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I dont think we are drawing dead on the turn, its much more likely villian has a hand like JJ QQ KK AA than 1010 or a flopped set. I would have put a large bet on the turn hoping for a fold but if I get called I still have a lot of outs against his likely hands. Rivering the heart or an ace is certainly not the nuts but its likely you'll have the best hand. Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 My advice would be to quit poker and shoot yourself. You fold the nut draw for 3 bucks. He has 6 of his 10 bucks into this pot. Even if heart comes he cannot lay down aces or kings. See the river. A or K you can make a crying call, but heart is nuts. I would have pushed on flop. Although the limits are smaller than I have ever played,but if I had 200 in this spot and was covered and the same percentage of money was committed I would do the same.wow.... maybe take it easy homie... guy's asking for advice not a demeaning verbal assault....btw, when the board is paired, automatically you need at LEAST a full house to even be considered in the RANGE of nut hands... *you dont just put someone on quads specifically because of how unlikely it is they do*straights & flushes loose value drastically as there are a number of hands that can now have them drawing dead...would you fold if say the board was 10h 8h 8d 10d if you held AhKh? but, you're 'drawing to the nuts' right? obv not... i dont see how this is supposed to be of any use whatsoever... OP-i dont mind the hand at all, only thing i guess i could make an argument for would be to repop it pre, but your read of him is that he's not doing this w/ 5 5 or 8s9s or some like hand... in that regard i dont mind taking the flop, as that's generally how i like to play A K (technically, all it is is a really really really big 5 6 haha) after the flop, one option's to check vs leading... we don't have a hand just yet, and your read of villain is he's likely got a big pair here... he's firing this flop about 108% of the time, even w/ AKs i believe... i think if you c/c the flop you keep the pot small & get to see the turn card for cheaper... OBV this has it's downside as it virtually flips our hand face up, being that we're OOP - what do we do if we hit turn, db into him? now that i think about it i like your line more esp for this scenario.. it disguises our hand & lets us get paid when we hit i believe... after the turn, obv our draw has lost value, but i'm not sure that card hit him... if he's as tight as you say i dont see why he'd have a 10 in his hand *obv unless you're already drawing dead lolz* A 10s is a stretch for a rock... and would he raise 77 or 88 from CO? he IS in position... i've seen them play these hands both as seen on WSOP (AIPF & race for it) and merely for set value (it's strange to me when people limp jacks because they "only play them for set value" ... maybe i dont pick up enough premium hands) he's not going anywhere in this hand, that has become evident... he's put in such a large amount of his stack & he's done so representing alot of strength the whole way... for some reason i seriously think he has AA or KK the way he's playing... but i can see QQ, i personally would like JJ (overpair + gutter ball, plus we eat 2 outs of the random 9) here, but idk if he would as tight as you say he is... but then again, these ultra tighties (from what i've noticed & the lower limits) can't fold overpairs... they just can't do it usually.. they only play those types of hands & go all the way w/ them... cause let's face it, they have a pair of aces nobody else can see (sw) idk, arguments can be made either direction here IMO... i think if you spike the heart on the river you're hand's gonna be telegraphed the second you bet... i would assume a rock insta check's behind if the draws get there on the river... he's put in so much of his stack though he's probably calling off the rest of it...but i dont know HOW tight he is, would he stack off w/ AA right here if the 3h hits river? if the answer is no, i believe you have to fold.. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Opponent is TIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTt, Like AA KK QQ AK tight (but this is only over a small sample so I dunno if maybe hes just cold decked). I don't know that he double barrels AK though, or raises that flop. I guess leading is stupid on the flop if i think above is his range. Whats a better way to play the hand? I folded turn assuming that i could just be drawing to a flush and the board is paired.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($10.35)Hero ($36.05)BB ($12.20)UTG ($1.60)UTG+1 ($10.30)MP1 ($5.75)MP2 ($6.55)MP3 ($1.90)CO ($10.55)Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K. 5 folds, CO raises to $0.4, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold.Flop: ($0.90) 8, T, 7(2 players)Hero bets $0.6, CO raises to $2.1, Hero calls $1.50.Turn: ($5.10) T(2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $3, Hero folds.Final Pot: $5.10You could have made this a lot easier by re-raising the flop or pushing the flop raise. However, now that we're here ... I think an ace or heart is gonna make us good. It's OK with me that you call, as long as you push any A or heart river and make him decide. Link to post Share on other sites
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