Throwing Rope (sh) (5/10)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Bodog 5/10 NLHE (4-handed)Cobalt $994Button $1511Cobalt is CO w/ A K . Button and I haven't tangled much this session, but I've played with her previously. She's somewhat LAG. Her standard opening-raise is 4x and she's not afraid to come over the top of PFR with a pretty decent RR. If she raises pre-flop, she pretty much never folds to a RR. As far as her opening range, the worst hand I've seen her show is when she opened with Q4s from the CO. I assume she considers herself decently tricky and views me as a TAG.Pre-flop:Cobalt raises to $30, Button calls, 2 foldsFlop ($75): A 2 3 (2 players)Cobalt bets $40, Button callsTurn ($155): 2 (2 players)Cobalt checks, Button bets $155, Cobalt callsRiver ($465): J (2 players)Cobalt checks, Button bets $465, Cobalt callsI'll attempt to go through my thought-process after some discussion.

[KoRnholio 2]

Looks good. Rope-a-dope/stack a donk for the win.

[mtdesmoines 2]

Bodog 5/10 NLHE (4-handed)Cobalt $994Button $1511Cobalt is CO w/ A K . Button and I haven't tangled much this session, but I've played with her previously. She's somewhat LAG. Her standard opening-raise is 4x and she's not afraid to come over the top of PFR with a pretty decent RR. If she raises pre-flop, she pretty much never folds to a RR. As far as her opening range, the worst hand I've seen her show is when she opened with Q4s from the CO. I assume she considers herself decently tricky and views me as a TAG.Pre-flop:Cobalt raises to $30, Button calls, 2 foldsFlop ($75): A 2 3 (2 players)Cobalt bets $40, Button callsTurn ($155): 2 (2 players)Cobalt checks, Button bets $155, Cobalt callsRiver ($465): J (2 players)Cobalt checks, Button bets $465, Cobalt callsI'll attempt to go through my thought-process after some discussion.

The only thing that I can think of in 30 seconds is that you think villain picked up a combo draw on the turn and bet the busted draw on the river.

[shinzilla 0]

Villain has to know that Cobalt has some sort of ace after he calls the turn. The tricky thing about her bet size is that it could easily be a bluff trying to push Cobalt off a weak ace or a astute value bet with A3, AJ or a hand with a 2. After checking the turn, I probably play the hand the same way.

[tskillz187 0]

Yeah once you check call the turn I think it makes your hand look like A10+ and huge hands, her potting the river scares me quite a bit. I probably swear a lot and call, if you're gonna give an aggro rope you really can't wuss out with TPTK.

[sabes99 0]

i prefer making a healthy bet on the turn here and hope she pays off with a middle pair...c/c on the turn leaves you with the semi-difficult river decision, but as played you pretty much got what you were hoping for, you have to call

[GoCryWolfe 0]

Meh, something minor... but I don't really like the flop bet. I'd bet more, 55 or 60... I know its a "continuation bet," but rather small. I do think though it helped you on later streets though, seeing as she was doing your betting for you.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Meh, something minor... but I don't really like the flop bet. I'd bet more, 55 or 60... I know its a "continuation bet," but rather small.

...you realize this is a pretty dry flop, right?

[GoCryWolfe 0]

...you realize this is a pretty dry flop, right?

Yeah. Like I said, it's minor. Of course this would be much easier to play in position. Regardless, I do think your bet (like mine would have) gets your point across to the villain, in looking like a continuation bet... which gets her to pick up on your pseudo-weakness that *I think* you are trying to get her to think you are.

[Ricer98 0]

Villain has to know that Cobalt has some sort of ace after he calls the turn. The tricky thing about her bet size is that it could easily be a bluff trying to push Cobalt off a weak ace or a astute value bet with A3, AJ or a hand with a 2. After checking the turn, I probably play the hand the same way.

I think assuming the villian puts him on a A to have called the turn may be alittle too tight of a range. Med to large pairs might take a check/call line simply for pot control or to allow a worse hand to bluff. While, still probably assuming to have the best hand after not getting repopped preflop or on the flop. I could possibly also see a suited connector type hand that picked up a flush draw just check calling every now and then, since they couldn't stand much of a raise on a fairly dry paired board. I wouldn't expect this all the time though as most players at highers limits are more aggressive and would semi bluff a lot to make their hand look stronger.As far as the villians range on the river, I think its pretty wide. Although, we are beating most of it. Without ever playing this high I'm not sure, but does the villian really fire the pot on two streets with a big hand like a straight or full house without us showing much strength? I'd almost expect to see a litte bit smaller value bets or possibly a weak bet to try to induce a bluff. Even against a TAG, a LAG with AJ is probably going to reraise just about every time preflop playing 4 handed with position. I think A3 would probably fall into a raise or fold category for the villian. I don't see an aggressive player just calling in position with that weak a hand. This boils it down to pairs 44+, busted draws, a worse A, and complete air. I'd personally expect to see air or 44/55 here alot. The turn and river pot bets just seem like the villian picked up on our show of weakness and wants us to fold.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Pretty standard. Your hand never comes off as stronger than an AT type of hand here so on the river, she can easily pot any Ax hand figuring that if you do call, she's chopping anyway but that you'll also fold often and she'll show a good profit.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Looks good. The size of the river bet is a little worrisome but it's not enough to dump it. Kudos to the villain if she beat you and didn't have JJ

[Scott3705 0]

assume she considers herself decently tricky Makes the rope a dope play ideal.Problem is the river for me. We're C/Cing and not donk-betting be cause we think villian doesn't have an ace a decent amount of the time and are trying to get her to fire again. If she thinks your willing to call KK- on the turn to keep her honest, it's not a bad idea at all. Then she comes out with a big bet. (Did she only just use the bet pot button or did the fact she potted it mean anything?) Ax probably puts in a much smaller bet looking for value against an underpair. So unless you're chopping and she is value betting AK hard against a worse A, I doubt she has an ace here a lot of the time. So she's either on a stone bluff or she floated the flop with a deuce. I'd pot both of them at the river, so that's not really helpful at all so I guess you have to call. IMO, this one's actually more read based than people are saying. It really comes down to whether she thinks you're capable of folding an ace here and whether she would pot this river on a bluff. It's also worth mentioning that if you are aware of her perception of you, she is probably aware of your perception of her.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Then she comes out with a big bet. (Did she only just use the bet pot button or did the fact she potted it mean anything?)

Her standard bets were rather "large" I'd say, and she almost always just potted post-flop.I'm glad most of y'all agree with the line.When she called the flop, my immediate reaction is that she has some sort of ace. The turn isn't particular harmful if that's the case since she drawing somewhat thin. I don't think I lose too much value by checking there, as she'll probably fold if she doesn't have the ace for some reason...since it'll be "obvious" that I've got it. When I hesitate and just call the turn, it now appears that I have some sort of middle pair or a weak ace and am attempting to control the pot. Up to this point, I considered it a WA/WB scenario (most likely WA), so my first instinct is to donkbet the river. However, she doesn't necessarily have an ace and probably shouldn't call me unless she's got one. She'll also probably bet biggish aces if she's checked to. Therefore, I reasoned that I was much more likely to get money from a bluff or a value bet from a worse hand.I called and she flipped 65o.

[shinzilla 0]

Very nice, I like.I love taking this kind of line against aggressive opponents. Let them hang themselves.

[No_Neck 0]

Very nice, I like.I love taking this kind of line against aggressive opponents. Let them hang themselves.

lets say she checks behind on the turn do you lead that river for a pot sized bet?

[Lavitz 0]

Very standard I think. From villian's standpoint, they probably think they're value betting an ace. Also, the pot bets seem a little suspicious from villian because if they really wanted to gain value from a PP or weaker ace (which you're representing), in most instances they wouldn't bet so hard.

[mtdesmoines 2]

He standard bets were rather "large" I'd say, and she almost always just potted post-flop.I'm glad most of y'all agree with the line.When she called the flop, my immediate reaction is that she has some sort of ace. The turn isn't particular harmful if that's the case since she drawing somewhat thin. I don't think I lose too much value by checking there, as she'll probably fold if she doesn't have the ace for some reason...since it'll be "obvious" that I've got it. When I hesitate and just call the turn, it now appears that I have some sort of middle pair or a weak ace and am attempting to control the pot. Up to this point, I considered it a WA/WB scenario (most likely WA), so my first instinct is to donkbet the river. However, she doesn't necessarily have an ace and probably shouldn't call me unless she's got one. She'll also probably bet biggish aces if she's checked to. Therefore, I reasoned that I was much more likely to get money from a bluff or a value bet from a worse hand.I called and she flipped 65o.

"The only thing that I can think of in 30 seconds is that you think villain picked up a combo draw on the turn and bet the busted draw on the river."I wasn't far off. The villain's line is ugly. Seriously.

[No_Neck 0]

that is why I let people bluff off there chips if they want. It works great for these ultra aggressive games. Calling is the new raising

[sierradave 0]

I like this line a lot. One question, though: are we basically planning to call bets of any size here if we take this line? Is there any bet size that is going to push us off TPTK on this sort of board?

[Acid_Knight 2]

I like this line a lot. One question, though: are we basically planning to call bets of any size here if we take this line? Is there any bet size that is going to push us off TPTK on this sort of board?

The implication is no, we're not planning to fold. But everything can be reevaluated if necessary.

[shinzilla 0]

lets say she checks behind on the turn do you lead that river for a pot sized bet?

Definitely.

[CobaltBlue 662]

lets say she checks behind on the turn do you lead that river for a pot sized bet?

I don't hate it, but potting is not frequently part of my game (for better or worse). I'd probably 75-80% it.

[whatgreatis 0]

Well played hand.