Potsie P 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 One backbreaker...battle of blinds, me (sb) with J7. Flop j-high, turn j, river blank, betting it the whole way, miraculously don't get raised on the end by bb, who shows KJ. nh not meNail in the coffin: LP with JJ, one raiser right behind me, I push, blinds fold, raiser calls and shows...108o. Naturally, 10 on the flop, 8 on the turn, river blank and gg me.Finished 10605.Good times though. Thx Obey and gl remaining dawgs! Link to post Share on other sites
StupidKid 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 PokerStars Game #11451642952: Tournament #57262281, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2007/08/12 - 16:38:23 (ET)Table '57262281 168' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: jimbo2571 (1740 in chips) Seat 2: breakerdog (6620 in chips) Seat 3: grizzz5 (4325 in chips) Seat 4: mrlimp (26137 in chips) Seat 5: felghen (9105 in chips) Seat 6: stupidkid888 (3100 in chips) Seat 7: Mr Darkpoker (3988 in chips) Seat 8: xxbartelsxx (7395 in chips) Seat 9: willywichtig (3765 in chips) jimbo2571: posts the ante 25breakerdog: posts the ante 25grizzz5: posts the ante 25mrlimp: posts the ante 25felghen: posts the ante 25stupidkid888: posts the ante 25Mr Darkpoker: posts the ante 25xxbartelsxx: posts the ante 25willywichtig: posts the ante 25willywichtig: posts small blind 150jimbo2571: posts big blind 300*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to stupidkid888 [Jd Js]breakerdog: folds grizzz5: folds mrlimp: folds felghen: calls 300stupidkid888: raises 2775 to 3075 and is all-inMr Darkpoker: folds xxbartelsxx: folds willywichtig: folds jimbo2571: folds felghen: calls 2775*** FLOP *** [9h Kh 9c]*** TURN *** [9h Kh 9c] [Th]*** RIVER *** [9h Kh 9c Th] [2d]*** SHOW DOWN ***felghen: shows [Ad As] (two pair, Aces and Nines)stupidkid888: shows [Jd Js] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)felghen collected 6825 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 6825 | Rake 0 Board [9h Kh 9c Th 2d]Seat 1: jimbo2571 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: breakerdog folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: grizzz5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: mrlimp folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: felghen showed [Ad As] and won (6825) with two pair, Aces and NinesSeat 6: stupidkid888 showed [Jd Js] and lost with two pair, Jacks and NinesSeat 7: Mr Darkpoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: xxbartelsxx (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: willywichtig (small blind) folded before Flop Link to post Share on other sites
rjohnny4321 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 PokerStars Game #11451894320: Tournament #57262281, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/08/12 - 16:52:06 (ET)Table '57262281 1837' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: cardzplaya (6285 in chips) Seat 2: Charlie1965 (3203 in chips) Seat 3: 4MYLEXUS (11380 in chips) Seat 4: hjald (14778 in chips) Seat 5: GetBent99 (7814 in chips) Seat 6: MDH2004 (4871 in chips) Seat 7: gmblr711 (10055 in chips) Seat 8: edfelson (5345 in chips) Seat 9: jack_twirp (3250 in chips) cardzplaya: posts the ante 25Charlie1965: posts the ante 254MYLEXUS: posts the ante 25hjald: posts the ante 25GetBent99: posts the ante 25MDH2004: posts the ante 25gmblr711: posts the ante 25edfelson: posts the ante 25jack_twirp: posts the ante 25Charlie1965: posts small blind 2004MYLEXUS: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to 4MYLEXUS [Kh Kd]hjald: folds GetBent99: folds MDH2004: folds gmblr711: folds edfelson: folds jack_twirp: folds cardzplaya: folds Charlie1965: raises 2778 to 3178 and is all-in4MYLEXUS: calls 2778*** FLOP *** [9c Ah 3h]*** TURN *** [9c Ah 3h] [4s]*** RIVER *** [9c Ah 3h 4s] [8s]*** SHOW DOWN ***Charlie1965: shows [6h 6d] (a pair of Sixes)4MYLEXUS: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)4MYLEXUS collected 6581 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 6581 | Rake 0 Board [9c Ah 3h 4s 8s]Seat 1: cardzplaya (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Charlie1965 (small blind) showed [6h 6d] and lost with a pair of SixesSeat 3: 4MYLEXUS (big blind) showed [Kh Kd] and won (6581) with a pair of KingsSeat 4: hjald folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: GetBent99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: MDH2004 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: gmblr711 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: edfelson folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: jack_twirp folded before Flop (didn't bet)15,500 now Link to post Share on other sites
rjohnny4321 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I think this thing just turned into a pushament... Link to post Share on other sites
rjohnny4321 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I think this thing just turned into a pushament...out 3280 or something... Link to post Share on other sites
freak2304 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! 50K and ready to do some damage!!!PokerStars Game #11452593594: Tournament #57262281, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2007/08/12 - 17:30:57 (ET)Table '57262281 2104' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: hrmduck (155 in chips) Seat 2: seaflake (47001 in chips) Seat 3: gibby8082 (12210 in chips) Seat 4: freak2304 (22245 in chips) Seat 5: ldkirk (73316 in chips) Seat 6: Sgt.Plaag (35634 in chips) Seat 7: Povii (9125 in chips) Seat 8: CUPOKERLION (21628 in chips) Seat 9: Crawfdad (21092 in chips) hrmduck: posts the ante 125seaflake: posts the ante 125gibby8082: posts the ante 125freak2304: posts the ante 125ldkirk: posts the ante 125Sgt.Plaag: posts the ante 125Povii: posts the ante 125CUPOKERLION: posts the ante 125Crawfdad: posts the ante 125gibby8082: posts small blind 600freak2304: posts big blind 1200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to freak2304 [6h Ah]ldkirk: raises 1200 to 2400Sgt.Plaag: folds Povii: folds CUPOKERLION: folds Crawfdad: calls 2400ldkirk said, "its sad when other players hold us up just so they can make the money"seaflake said, "rude, walk away without sittng out"freak2304 said, "it's his only play really...give him a break"Sgt.Plaag said, "he is smart _"ldkirk said, "yea it is"Sgt.Plaag said, "i should do the same"hrmduck: calls 30 and is all-inseaflake: folds gibby8082: calls 1800freak2304: calls 1200*** FLOP *** [9h 8c 4h]gibby8082: checks freak2304: bets 5000ldkirk: raises 65791 to 70791 and is all-inCrawfdad: folds gibby8082: folds freak2304: calls 14720 and is all-in*** TURN *** [9h 8c 4h] [Jh]*** RIVER *** [9h 8c 4h Jh] [Ac]*** SHOW DOWN ***freak2304: shows [6h Ah] (a flush, Ace high)ldkirk: shows [Jd Td] (a pair of Jacks)freak2304 collected 48920 from side pothrmduck: shows [8d 8s] (three of a kind, Eights)ldkirk said, "nh"freak2304 collected 1275 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 50195 Main pot 1275. Side pot 48920. | Rake 0 Board [9h 8c 4h Jh Ac]Seat 1: hrmduck showed [8d 8s] and lost with three of a kind, EightsSeat 2: seaflake (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: gibby8082 (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: freak2304 (big blind) showed [6h Ah] and won (50195) with a flush, Ace highSeat 5: ldkirk showed [Jd Td] and lost with a pair of JacksSeat 6: Sgt.Plaag folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Povii folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: CUPOKERLION folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Crawfdad folded on the Flop Link to post Share on other sites
ObeyTheDog 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Author Share Posted August 12, 2007 Yikes, is freak our only guy left?lol dogaments Link to post Share on other sites
StupidKid 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Yikes, is freak our only guy left?lol dogamentsRaise-fifty cashed I think.Freak to TID obv Link to post Share on other sites
albasuna 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 PokerStars Game #11452981446: Tournament #57262281, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2007/08/12 - 17:52:27 (ET)Table '57262281 562' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: skater420 x (16123 in chips) Seat 2: raise-fifty (26192 in chips) Seat 3: fimpbone (19174 in chips) Seat 4: Tschouggen (38893 in chips) Seat 5: nannabyll (22194 in chips) Seat 6: cml207 (25517 in chips) Seat 7: jbugjbug (58574 in chips) Seat 8: rake fools2 (16101 in chips) Seat 9: BerkekeyNick (11344 in chips) skater420 x: posts the ante 150raise-fifty: posts the ante 150fimpbone: posts the ante 150Tschouggen: posts the ante 150nannabyll: posts the ante 150cml207: posts the ante 150jbugjbug: posts the ante 150rake fools2: posts the ante 150BerkekeyNick: posts the ante 150BerkekeyNick: posts small blind 800skater420 x: posts big blind 1600*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to raise-fifty [Qh Ah]raise-fifty: raises 1900 to 3500fimpbone: folds cml207 said, "Ah me and a group of friends have our own little forum"cml207 said, "3P Poker"Tschouggen: calls 3500nannabyll: folds cml207: folds jbugjbug: folds rake fools2: folds BerkekeyNick: folds skater420 x: folds *** FLOP *** [Jc 4s Qd]raise-fifty: checks Tschouggen: bets 11200raise-fifty: raises 11342 to 22542 and is all-inTschouggen: calls 11342cml207 said, "Yea, almost felt bad about it"*** TURN *** [Jc 4s Qd] [2s]*** RIVER *** [Jc 4s Qd 2s] [2h]*** SHOW DOWN ***raise-fifty: shows [Qh Ah] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)Tschouggen: shows [Kh Kc] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)Tschouggen collected 55834 from potjcamby33 is connected *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 55834 | Rake 0 Board [Jc 4s Qd 2s 2h]Seat 1: skater420 x (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: raise-fifty showed [Qh Ah] and lost with two pair, Queens and DeucesSeat 3: fimpbone folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: Tschouggen showed [Kh Kc] and won (55834) with two pair, Kings and DeucesSeat 5: nannabyll folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: cml207 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: jbugjbug folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: rake fools2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: BerkekeyNick (small blind) folded before Flopowe 14.75 to obey. Link to post Share on other sites
albasuna 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I sorta donked it up with that Ace-Queen hand but whatever it's a donk tournament. Link to post Share on other sites
freak2304 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I'm not happy. Obey, I'm sending the $24. Thanks for the stake and railage from everyone. Link to post Share on other sites
ObeyTheDog 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Author Share Posted August 12, 2007 good try guys. That thing is a minefield retarded labrat x 100000.We'll get em next week. Definitely had fun.raise-fifty, ship $14freak, ship $24 to plutophObey (Las Vegas)gg gg gg, hope you all had fun. Link to post Share on other sites
20TN40 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Obey, wanna go back over my hand so me and my StupidKid brother can learn? LOL Link to post Share on other sites
Potsie P 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 good try guys. That thing is a minefield retarded labrat x 100000.We'll get em next week. Definitely had fun.raise-fifty, ship $14freak, ship $24 to plutophObey (Las Vegas)gg gg gg, hope you all had fun.I did. thanks, man. We'll fire it up again soon. Link to post Share on other sites
albasuna 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 good try guys. That thing is a minefield retarded labrat x 100000.We'll get em next week. Definitely had fun.raise-fifty, ship $14freak, ship $24 to plutophObey (Las Vegas)gg gg gg, hope you all had fun.done. Link to post Share on other sites
StupidKid 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Obey, wanna go back over my hand so me and my StupidKid brother can learn? LOLI wouldn't have gone bust there. Prolly open fold, or fold to his raise, or fold on flop, or fold on turn.Top pair no kicker isn't a hand to go broke with. Link to post Share on other sites
ObeyTheDog 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Author Share Posted August 12, 2007 PokerStars Game #11450729715: Tournament #57262281, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/08/12 - 15:48:06 (ET)Table '57262281 1355' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: redwbase (3415 in chips) Seat 2: brynmac (5890 in chips) Seat 3: shinanguag (5340 in chips) Seat 4: !! AAA 99 !! (2910 in chips) Seat 5: Gorlorw (3060 in chips) Seat 6: sunnypm (2925 in chips) is sitting outSeat 7: BreadMan240 (1385 in chips) Seat 8: 20TN40 (3135 in chips) Seat 9: pteska (5520 in chips) shinanguag: posts small blind 15!! AAA 99 !!: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to 20TN40 [9s Ks]Gorlorw: folds sunnypm: folds BreadMan240: folds BreadMan240 said, "I know was in a 1.00 tourny earlier played a hand i should have played wife nagging me her falt"20TN40: calls 30pteska: folds redwbase: raises 120 to 150brynmac: folds shinanguag: folds !! AAA 99 !!: folds 20TN40: calls 120*** FLOP *** [5h Kc Ts]20TN40: checks redwbase: bets 30020TN40: calls 300*** TURN *** [5h Kc Ts] [8d]20TN40: checks shinanguag said, "lol"redwbase: bets 2965 and is all-in20TN40: calls 2685 and is all-in*** RIVER *** [5h Kc Ts 8d] [6c]*** SHOW DOWN ***20TN40: shows [9s Ks] (a pair of Kings)redwbase: shows [As Ah] (a pair of Aces)pteska said, "always is"redwbase collected 6315 from potjmmbmm is connected *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 6315 | Rake 0 Board [5h Kc Ts 8d 6c]Seat 1: redwbase showed [As Ah] and won (6315) with a pair of AcesSeat 2: brynmac (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: shinanguag (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: !! AAA 99 !! (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: Gorlorw folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: sunnypm folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: BreadMan240 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: 20TN40 showed [9s Ks] and lost with a pair of KingsSeat 9: pteska folded before Flop (didn't bet)STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ok, this hand.I'm all for opening up your game. Really, I am, you should mix up your play and play more hands often as you move up in limits, so your game doesn't become predictable.The problem with a tourney like this is, A-B-C works a lot better 95% of the time, which means folding trash hands, because your fold equity (the ability to get players to fold hands, even very good ones, very mediocre ones) goes way down, so you need hands that play better for value, which means premium hands, especially early. Some people see little blinds and a decent stack and say "well I can gamble here for 30 chips." The problem is, that 30 chips can quickly escalate into your whole stack before you blink, as is this case.So first mistake is, if you're going to play these speculative little junkie hands, and Ks9s is one, and a guilty pleasure of mine too, raise it up something, to 80, something. Get the betting lead. That way, if you're reraised, a hand like this so easily dominated, you can just toss it preflop. If people call you (and often they will in these $11 tourneys), well at least you have the betting lead and can hopefully control the pot later and not get trapped yourself. Moreover, you may get a player behind you with better position to fold a better hand like KT, KJ, whereas, if you limp, you are guaranteeing those hands will see a flop with you and have shown no strength. Or fold preflop...probably smarter in this tourney.So mistake #1: You limped instead of raising.Mistake two. Position is so important in NLHE that it can never be overlooked. The player behind you has raised 5x your limp, a good raise. When it gets back to you, with no other callers, you are now forced to play a heads-up pot with a trap-hand. This becomes an easy fold. Instead of compounding your first mistake, you should cut your 30 chips loss and fold.Mistake #2: Calling a preflop raise after limping, out of position.Mistake three. You caught one of those good news/bad news flops. Good news that you hit top pair, but bad news is that there is no value in your hand. Either you are so far ahead (of a hand like QQ, JJ, AQ) or you are incredibly far behind (AA, AK, KQ, KJ, KT). You can't bet for value, because few worse hands can call, and when you check the flop, you'll have little idea where you're at in the hand. If you check-raise, you'll be committing so many of your chips in a negative-expected value situation where only worse hands can fold and better hands can call. So yes, checking can induce a worse hand to bluff, thus getting your more value, as StupidKid mentioned, but you'll have a tough decision on the turn. So let's say you check/call as you did.Mistake #3: Going broke while never even firing a single bullet and calling off all your chips in three spots with the way worst of it. On the turn, if you lead out and get raised, you must make a decision on what to do with your hand. In most cases, I'd lead out the turn and fold to a raise. This allowed your opponent to still fire his continuation bet if he was bluffing (value) while gaining the most information about the strength of his hand (protection/info) on the turn. You can then (somewhat) comfortably fold the worst hand, while saving a few thousand chips to fight back with. If you check, you are essentially either giving up on the pot (check/fold) or are going all the way with this hand just GUESSING/PRAYING/HOPING he is bluffing a second-best hand. In my experience, playing the hand the latter way becomes highly volatile, and turns the game into "guessy" poker where you are always check-calling and never getting worse hands to call/better hands to fold.Lesson: What started as an innocent 30 chips limp turned into a premature and unnecessary tournament exit. One mistake is usually unforgivable in NLHE. Three is a death sentence.(Don't take any of this personally ... That hand actually sums up a lot of the reasons why players have a hard time winning and serves as a great way to learn by making mistakes rather than repeat them) Link to post Share on other sites
20TN40 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 I wouldn't have gone bust there. Prolly open fold, or fold to his raise, or fold on flop, or fold on turn.Top pair no kicker isn't a hand to go broke with.So basically, I shoulda just folded. The guy was just shoving, shoving, shoving. Figured he didn't have anything that time either. Bad call....bleh. Link to post Share on other sites
20TN40 0 Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Thanks Obey. Looking back at it as you explain it, makes a bunch of sense. Still a work in progress........thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
Kestral123 0 Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 "I" went out early obviously. My brother was playing for me due to a last minute unavoidable conflict. He got coolered when he got it all in with flopped trips and the guy rivered a boat with KK. Link to post Share on other sites
albasuna 0 Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hopefully they do this agani next week. Link to post Share on other sites
Kestral123 0 Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hopefully they do this agani next week.Yes, and hopefully I'll actually be able to play this time (although it least my brother got it in good when he went down). Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda 1 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Your captain as well as others still have not paid so this isn't happening again unless owners can actually run a team responsibly I can't believe we are still chasing people down on Wednesday. Link to post Share on other sites
ObeyTheDog 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 Your captain as well as others still have not paid so this isn't happening again unless owners can actually run a team responsibly I can't believe we are still chasing people down on Wednesday.Ha. A simple PM would do nicely considering I've been away the past 3 days. I asked on Sunday before I left and didn't get a PM still. I'll do the digging myself to find the winner's SN.Is there an emoticon for gfy?sw Link to post Share on other sites
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