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[bdc30 0]

Here's why I don't "always" raise aces...Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $15Hero: $25.50CO: $17.50Button: $26.95SB: $16.45BB: $49.45Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A 7 8 A UTG (poster) checks, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB (poster) checks.Flop: A 5 T ($1, 4 players)SB checks, BB bets $1, UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB raises to $14, Hero raises all-in $25.25, BB calls.Turn: 8 ($51.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $51.5)River: J ($51.5, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $51.5)Results:Final pot: $51.5Hero showed Ad 7c 8c AsBB showed 3s Td Qh Tc

[simo_8ball 0]

Here's why I don't "always" raise aces...

Or, you raise preflop and it only takes 2 or 3 flop raises rather than 4 to get it allin.

[bdc30 0]

So (just to nitpick this exact hand) he calls a raise pre with QTT3 with no suits OR if he does, he's still crazy enough to get it all in on this flop?Either way, I finally had an up day -- sure it's only 3 buyins, but after this stupid month, I'll take it.

[iggymcfly 0]

Wow - was surprised to see what he called with here....Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $67.20Hero: $29.55CO: $25.25Button: $8.20SB: $12.30BB: $29.95Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A 5 J A UTG raises to $0.85, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.Flop: 4 9 6 ($4.35, 5 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets $3.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $14.85, CO raises all-in $24.4, Hero calls.Turn: 9 ($53.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $53.15)River: 3 ($53.15, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $53.15)Results:Final pot: $53.15Hero showed Ac 5c Jd AhCO showed Td Tc 7c 6s

This is standard. If you fold overpair + FD + GS + extra pair here, you're a huge nit. Also:

So (just to nitpick this exact hand) he calls a raise pre with QTT3 with no suits OR if he does, he's still crazy enough to get it all in on this flop?

Folding preflop is probably the correct move, but very few people will actually do it. Also, unless you're playing like 18/3 or something, no way do I fold middle set in a raised pot there. I'm starting to think you play too weak/passive. What are your aggression stats and your WTSD again?

[bdc30 0]

Hmm, I'm not sure - I'm at work and don't have the exact numbers - you are most likely correct though. WTSD I have no idea, but my pokerev graphs tend to show I lose a lot of money in non showdown pots (blue line always highest, then red, then green). My aggression stats (I think) run around 3-5% pfr and 1.5-2 AF. Suggestions?

[BigLebowski 0]

My aggression stats (I think) run around 3-5% pfr and 1.5-2 AF. Suggestions?

I think you might want to look again

[bdc30 0]

Post up the #'s you have, I have no issue with that - I know you have tons of hands with me. Please also post the amount of won/loss between us while you're at it As far as stats, I was referring to about my last 3-5k hands. I've been trying to raise more and play a bit looser - from what we talked about the other day. I'm more 30/5 than my usual 20/2 that I had been playing at the beginning of the month.

[Sheiky 0]

Why do people not raise as much PF in omaha?

[BudBundy 0]

Why do people not raise as much PF in omaha?

Because hands values are quite close in Omaha.

[simo_8ball 0]

Why do people not raise as much PF in omaha?

PLO is like Holdem with every hand being a suited connector.

[simo_8ball 0]

Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $28.50UTG+1: $44.70CO: $57.25Button: $113SB: $49.50Hero: $47.75Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 8 9 9 J UTG calls $0.5 (pot was $0.75), 2 folds, Button raises to $2, SB folds, Hero calls $1.5 (pot was $3.25), UTG calls $1.5 (pot was $4.75).Flop: 9 6 T ($6.25, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.Turn: 8 ($6.25, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.River: 7 ($6.25, 3 players)Hero bets $3.5, UTG calls $3.5 (pot was $9.75), Button folds.Results:Final pot: $13.25Hero showed 8c 9d 9s JsUTG mucks As 4c 2h Jc

[Sheiky 0]

Is this one of those 'shit i have to use two cards' moments from the viallain?

[simo_8ball 0]

Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $65.55UTG+1: $19Hero: $34.50Button: $177.55SB: $10.90BB: $44.95Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K K 2 T UTG calls $0.5 (pot was $0.75), UTG+1 calls $0.5 (pot was $1.25), Hero raises to $2.75, Button calls $2.75 (pot was $4.5), 2 folds, UTG calls $2.25 (pot was $7.25), UTG+1 folds.Flop: 2 T 3 ($9.5, 3 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $0.5Thoughts?

[simo_8ball 0]

lol todaysstatisticaments:+$smallprofitEquity adjusted:-$eleventybrazillionI guess I run good. I need to stop spewing in obvious places though.

[iggymcfly 0]

Yeah, bdc, you definitely are playing too passively. Try this for starters: when you're in the CO or OTB, if you have a hand that would be playable UTG and it's limped to you, raise it every time. Building pots in position is a huge advantage and it's really simple. In general, you're usually going to want to C-bet a a little bit more on hands you've raised preflop, but even if you just play it like someone raised in front of you, you'll still be better off than you will playing 30/5. Your postflop aggression's pretty low too, but that's a little tougher to fix and there are a lot of different small problems that could be responsible.I play 34/19/3.4 overall and I'm not saying you should go that aggressive as it's kind of a large adjustment and you need to play a completely different style raising that much. It's probably even slightly sub-optimal as sometimes when I'm playing a lot of tables, I start raising just about everything PF to make it simpler. Still though, even playing a little bit passive, you should try to get your PFR up to a minimum of 10 and your AF to a minimum of 2.Also, while I've had some problems at 1/2 and above lately (1.65 PTBB/100 avg. at those levels), my style's still averaging 13.0 PTBB/100 at 0.5/1 and below over a sample of 35,000 hands. I definitely think that relentless aggression is the best strategy against most low-limit players.

[simo_8ball 0]

I play 34/19/3.4 overall

I've been generally running 24/12 ish, with 2.72 postflop agg (1.36 inc. preflop). I just can't seem to get a real grasp on a good style (nothing to do with results, just overall play). I seem to be uncomfortable with PLO at the moment.I'm definitely struggling to fold preflop in certain bad situations, and I'm not loosening up enough in position. Even on the button I'm only 24/13.5, and that should easily be up at 30/15 or more.I've only been winning 40% of my sessions as well recently which has been a real problem. I need to spend some real time looking through PokerEV to see where I'm losing money.I've reworked my NLHE game a lot over the last few weeks and it's affecting the way I look at PLO as well, but I don't have enough of a sample size to say if it's having a positive or negative effect.

[iggymcfly 0]

The main hands that I play from the button or occasionally the CO and fold from other positions are Axxxds and hands where middle pairs are the only redeeming feature like TT63 or 9954. There are a couple others here and there, but those are the main groups that I'm conscious of. I agree that it's hard to differentiate too much by position though as with exactly 6 players, I'm 30/12 UTG and 38/22 on the button.

[bdc30 0]

Iggy, I really appreciate the advice. Just to clarify/confirm, those hands you just mentioned Axxx ds and mp hands, are we to raise those often if limped to in LP?

[bdc30 0]

How's this? Shove flop?Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $32.35Hero: $24.25CO: $21.50Button: $55.95SB: $20.35BB: $12.80Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with T J 4 9 UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.85, CO folds, Button calls.Flop: 7 8 A ($2.05, 3 players)Button checks, Hero bets $1.95, Button raises to $7.8, Hero calls.Turn: T ($17.65, 3 players)Button bets $17.55, Hero calls all-in $15.6.Uncalled bets: $1.95 returned to Button.River: K ($50.8, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $48.85, Sidepot 1: $1.95)Results:Final pot: $50.8Button showed 7h As Ks QhHero showed Td Jd 4c 9c

[bdc30 0]

GAH. I misclick called preflop (didn't realize it had been 3-bet) then flop trips...70/30 at that point - Nice turn... Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.256 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $19.10UTG+1: $52.55CO: $17.30Button: $14.75SB: $29.40Hero: $45.45Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 5 9 A J 2 folds, CO raises to $0.85, Button raises to $2.9, SB folds, Hero calls, CO calls.Flop: 5 4 5 ($8.8, 3 players)Hero checks, CO bets $8.8, Button raises all-in $11.85, Hero raises all-in $42.55, CO calls all-in $5.6.Uncalled bets: $28.15 returned to Hero. Turn: K ($46.9, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $44.35, Sidepot 1: $5.1)River: 4 ($46.9, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $44.35, Sidepot 1: $5.1)Results:Final pot: $46.9CO showed Th Jd Jh AdButton showed Kd 7c 7d KhHero showed 5h 9c Ah Jc

[bdc30 0]

Played a bit tonight after reading some of the advice here. Tried to be more aggro from LP when limped to. The numbers are still lower than they probably should be, but it will get there as I get more comfortable. Took a bit of an equity hit from the hand posted above, but whatever, misclicks happen, I normally wouldn't be in that spot in the first place.Still had a crap day equity-wise though...but happy that I still showed a profit.

[bdc30 0]

Here are my weekly graphs Iggy/Bud/Simo - tear them apart as necessary - I'll be online at work all day for any feedback.Pertinent stats as follows-- ~5500 handsVpIp - 29.11 VpIfSB - 46.5 W$WsF - 27.31 Won AMt $72.60 BB/100 2.65 WtSD - 28.1 W$@SD 56.45 PFR 2.34% PFAF 0.08 FAF 1.04 TAF 1.64 RAF 1.6 TTLAF 1.3

[simo_8ball 0]

PFR 2.34% PFAF 0.08

OMG.That is all.

[simo_8ball 0]

You're playing super passive all round.Because you rarely raise preflop you are almost never continuation betting the flop. That's a huge hole.Also, what the hell does TTLAF stand for?

[bdc30 0]

Total AF - was trying to differentiate from turn AF