Critique My Play Here ....

[ThreeBet 0]

Very unusual play I made last night that worked .... huge debate at the table for hours afterwards with about 50/50 being good or bad.After 2 limps, very good LAG in MP makes his usual raise to 35 (stack of 1500), 3 callers then to me in BB (stack 1000), look down to find pocket Jacks .... take my normal amount of time to decide, almost raise but decide to just call looking for a good flop. 2 Limpers also call, 7 to the flop, 245 in the middle. Flop 10,6,6 two diamonds (I have diamond), I'm first to act. Take a long time to decide looking at everyone's stacks again just to confirm that I'm 2nd in chips. Decide that I want the pot now and overbet 400, already having made the decision that I will call anyone who goes over the top of me .... huge risk I know, but one I was willing to take. My image is pretty TAG, although the LAG raiser and I have played for years and he's seen me make some pretty good "moves" a few times (and remembers them all!).Folds to the man, who thinks for only about 10 seconds and goes all in, and I instacall based on my plan when I made the bet. Turn and river brick and he shows A 10 so I take it. He says that I made a bad call as 9/10 times the person going over the top of me is going to have me beat. I agree with him but I counter that they also know I have A 10 beat thus his all in was wrong, and that I knew the most likely person to play back at me was him, and based on our history, I was willing to gamble.Again huge risk but it was just "time" for me to put a move on him again. What does everyone think?

[mtdesmoines 2]

Very unusual play I made last night that worked .... huge debate at the table for hours afterwards with about 50/50 being good or bad.After 2 limps, very good LAG in MP makes his usual raise to 35 (stack of 1500), 3 callers then to me in BB (stack 1000), look down to find pocket Jacks .... take my normal amount of time to decide, almost raise but decide to just call looking for a good flop. 2 Limpers also call, 7 to the flop, 245 in the middle. Flop 10,6,6 two diamonds (I have diamond), I'm first to act. Take a long time to decide looking at everyone's stacks again just to confirm that I'm 2nd in chips. Decide that I want the pot now and overbet 400, already having made the decision that I will call anyone who goes over the top of me .... huge risk I know, but one I was willing to take. My image is pretty TAG, although the LAG raiser and I have played for years and he's seen me make some pretty good "moves" a few times (and remembers them all!).Folds to the man, who thinks for only about 10 seconds and goes all in, and I instacall based on my plan when I made the bet. Turn and river brick and he shows A 10 so I take it. He says that I made a bad call as 9/10 times the person going over the top of me is going to have me beat. I agree with him but I counter that they also know I have A 10 beat thus his all in was wrong, and that I knew the most likely person to play back at me was him, and based on our history, I was willing to gamble.Again huge risk but it was just "time" for me to put a move on him again. What does everyone think?

He was an idiot to push AT into almost any non-TT flop. Seriously.

[tskillz187 0]

Betting more than the pot here doesn't make much sense to me. You want the pot right now? You want them to make -EV calls, obviously calling a bigger bet when they are behind is optimal but less likely. You are effectively winning only the pots where you are ahead and not extracting any value from hands you are behind. I think it's pretty rare that someone with a 10 comes over the top of you.I probably would have put in a large PF reraise to about $150-160 and tried to define hand strengths a bit. If I elected to flat call, I would play it looking for a set, if I saw this flop I'd either C/F, C/C, or C/R depending on the person that led out at me. I don't think I'd ever lead out here, or very rarely because we have played our hand pretty deceivingly. If we lead here it looks like 10Jish to me and that's basically what we have anyway. Edit: And the hands that we are hoping to get a bet from.

[sierradave 0]

I don't think I love seeing a flop 7-handed with pocket jacks out of position. If you raise here to $150, you either take it down or else isolate against the LAG, which let's you push the flop a lot more safely.As is, that flop is relatively good for you, and I like the lead-out, because if you check and the LAG bets, other players are more likely to float and/or get tricky against him with draws. Betting out puts the pressure on all the other players. That said, yeah, so long as he's the only one left with you, you definitely have to call his reraise on the flop getting 3-to-1.Still, you know the other players are going to like suited connectors against the LAG's deep-stacked raise. Long-term, I think not reraising preflop is -EV. You're basically making it a set-hunting hand, but in this situation there's a ton of potential dead money out there. Reraise preflop, planning to commit on the flop if it comes all undercards.

[coremiller 0]

First off, please don't post results.Secondly, reraise preflop. A bunch of limpers and one raise from a lag? Your jacks are almost certainly the best hand right now. You should isolate against the lag and take control of the hand.Thirdly, overbetting the flop is pointless. It encourages your opponents to play correctly by folding their gutshot draws, weak top pairs, etc. You say you have decided that you want the pot right now - why? You also say you're going to call anyone who raises you. This is stupid. It might make sense to call the lag if he raises you, but what if one the weak/tight nits raises you all-in?You say you called the all-in because you knew you had A-10 beat. How did you manage to narrow his range to this particular hand? If he's a real lag, he could easily have had 1010, QQ-AA, A6, 76, 65, or some kind of combo flush/straight or flush/overs draw. In fact, the A-10 is really his only reasonable holding that you're significantly ahead of (do you think he'd push with, say J-10 here? I don't). You're getting 1645:600 on the call, or about 2.74:1, so you need 36.5% equity to call. I think it's marginal at best, but someone who knows how to use pokerstove could tell you better than I. Now if you had some specific read on him that would indicate he likes to play marginal one-pair hands very fast, that would change things. But I didn't see any such indication in your post. Rather to the contrary, you described him as a "very good LAG", which means he's unlikely to do that. Therefore, I think your call was probably a mistake; the fact that he turned out out to be a much greater idiot than anyone could have reasonably expected from the available information just means you got lucky this time.

[ThreeBet 0]

Appreciate all the replies so far and I must say I can't argue with any of them ... it was an unusual play that was definitely changing gears for me. 99% of the time I'm raising PF to about $200 here, and the raiser knows that (if I have a pair). Obviously fortunate no one had 6, but I honestly felt that even a weak 6 may fold to that overbet.Perhaps "very good LAG" is a bit of a stretch in describing him, but he's certainly not a maniac.Just an interesting hand that created tons of discussion in the room, pro and con, and I thought it might be of interest here. Sorry for posting results, I wrote it without results and just felt it wouldn't promote as many different viewpoints, so I changed it.

[coremiller 0]

Sorry for posting results, I wrote it without results and just felt it wouldn't promote as many different viewpoints, so I changed it.

If all the opinions before results are similar, that usually (not always) means there was only one correct play. The goal is not to develop as many different views as possible, it's to figure out what the right play is.

[NoBBiR 0]

A 6 is never folding in a raised pot just because you overbet, that makes it all the more likely that they'll shove.A10 is almost never coming over the top here, and you were incredibly lucky that you were not crushed.This whole hand is bananas.

[Acid_Knight 2]

With 6 opponents, it is a very real likelyhood that someone has a 67 type of hand. Also, the LAG player could have a real hand like AA, KK, QQ or TT. You are helping your opponents play perfectly against you by making it easy for them to fold their draws or their middle pairs like 77 and you're making it easy for them to stack you if they have your vulnerable hand beaten.

[mtdesmoines 2]

First off, please don't post results.Secondly, reraise preflop. A bunch of limpers and one raise from a lag? Your jacks are almost certainly the best hand right now. You should isolate against the lag and take control of the hand.

Hmm. Last Thursday night a the local $1/$2/$100-$300:limp, limp, limp, limp, limp, limp, limp, button limps, SB limps, I'm in BB and see QQ. I raise it to $25. UTG calls. SB wakes up and raises to $75. WTF? I shove. UTG calls off last his $40 and SB calls and flips over KK. You never know when someone is making a "nice play." (And no, I didn't improve. And no, I don't know what UTG has, he mucked.)

[mtdesmoines 2]

A 6 is never folding in a raised pot just because you overbet, that makes it all the more likely that they'll shove.A10 is almost never coming over the top here, and you were incredibly lucky that you were not crushed.This whole hand is bananas.

Agreed. ..... where is this game again?

[Acid_Knight 2]

As for posting results here, it doesn't appear to matter anyway. The general consensus is it's a terrible play and you got to make money because of one idiot.Also, the whole "folding a weak 6" logic is ridiuculous. Nobody would ever fold a 6 here.

[coremiller 0]

Hmm. Last Thursday night a the local $1/$2/$100-$300:limp, limp, limp, limp, limp, limp, limp, button limps, SB limps, I'm in BB and see QQ. I raise it to $25. UTG calls. SB wakes up and raises to $75. WTF? I shove. UTG calls off last his $40 and SB calls and flips over KK. You never know when someone is making a "nice play." (And no, I didn't improve. And no, I don't know what UTG has, he mucked.)

Well, there are no absolute rules in poker, of course. Somebody could always be doing something ridiculously bizarre or stupid. All I meant was that his jacks were the best hand preflop a very large percentage of the time given the other action. Are you saying you should have checked in the BB with your queens out of fear that the SB might have completed with AA or KK? If not, what was your point?

[ThreeBet 0]

OK, I'm just a donkey. There were people who thought it was a good move, quite a few of them actually and they must be as dumb as me.Seriously though, you guys are 100% right ... very, very -EV play, and I knew that when I did it. Never done a crazy/stupid play before? Look at all the advertising a I get out of that. I dunno, it was fun and I got lucky, sorry I posted it.

[RollTheDice 0]

I don't like your play preflop. Playing JJ 7 way OOP is not desirable. once you make this mistake though, your flop play is fine, especially since it got someone to stack with with ATAll in all he's play was terrible.

[mtdesmoines 2]

Are you saying you should have checked in the BB with your queens out of fear that the SB might have completed with AA or KK? If not, what was your point?

Don't you know a poorly disguised BB post when you see one?

[David_Nicoson 1]

I like a reraise preflop, too. If jacks is the best hand after this flop, it was certainly the best hand before this flop.Given that we're willing to put all the money in with this hand, I think the overbet is reasonable. It'll be easy to misplay the hand when overcards hit. Plus someone might interpret the big bet as a draw.

[Acid_Knight 2]

your flop play is fine, especially since it got someone to stack with with AT

Only an idiot is getting stacked here with AT. Take this how you will, but JJ is pretty much exactly as strong as AT on this board. AT beats every other hand that JJ beats as well, it only ties with AT where JJ beats it.