Paranoid Or Justifiable Concern?

[Naismith 0]

Okay, I have question about a strange hand I played in a 1-2 NL, 100 min/max buy in cash game.I raised to 6 UTG with XX. The three guys after me all called. The next guy minraised without looking at his cards. I am 100 percent positive he didn't look at his cards. It folds to me and I push all in. The first caller folds. The second caller folds. The third caller (directly on the reraiser's right) immediately goes all in with AA. The reraiser folds, claiming he had KQ, but didn't look at his cards for the first time until after he declared he was folding. Anyone have any thoughts on the way this hand played out?The re-raiser and the guy with aces were chatting while we were playing, but nothing to make me think they were either friends or strangers. If you would've told me either was the case, I would've believed you. After this hand, they both left the table within the next 20 minutes, probably ten minutes apart. That could've been coincidence, though, since the table was dying down around the time the second one left.

[sagedecarte 0]

where was this played?

[Naismith 0]

where was this played?

The dog track here in St. Petersburg, Derby Lane.

[vbnautilus 48]

It's all very odd, but I don't see what they could be up to there that would benefit them.

[sagedecarte 0]

if you play there frequently, have you ever seen the guys before?it sounds strange definitely.did the two guys sit down together, and did they play alot of hands other than the big one you lost on?its so hard to make an assumption just off reading the text, alot of factors that you can acknowledge from actually being there might help make the decision more than actual situation itself

[DM_FLOPPEDIT 0]

It's all very odd, but I don't see what they could be up to there that would benefit them.

colusion getting more cash in da pot my guess not but u never know!!!

[Naismith 0]

It's all very odd, but I don't see what they could be up to there that would benefit them.

After the minraise, if I and the other callers call (or even people behind the minraiser call), he's pushing with his AA and picking up nearly half a buyin without seeing a flop if we all fold. I'm sure my pushing was a bonus, if this was collusion, not necessarily the goal.I've never played with either before. If I play with them again and they're at the same table, I'll probably transfer just to be certain.

[mase_gotsem 0]

dude just to be safe find them kick there *** just incase u never no if your wrong oh well if your right justice ?

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

dude just to be safe find them kick there *** just incase u never no if your wrong oh well if your right justice ?

I think you're probably just being paranoid. many people in low limit cash games make mini raises like that..the real question you should be asking is" did I play this hand like a donkey" IE what was your stack size, and what was your hand.. because if you had close to the full buy in, then pushing all in there is a really donkey play, no matter what your hand was.

[Naismith 0]

I think you're probably just being paranoid. many people in low limit cash games make mini raises like that..

I think you're analyzing the wrong part of this hand. A player with AA called a 3xBB raise after two other callers. This, by itself, is very unusual. That was followed by a player on his left minraising blind. This is just about the ideal and lucky situation for someone calling with AA after three people entered a pot.

[Jennings7 0]

I think its weird that AA limps here with that many people in the pot. Thats the only thing that makes this seem out of the ordinary to me.

[fleung22 1]

I think its weird that AA limps here with that many people in the pot. Thats the only thing that makes this seem out of the ordinary to me.

It's only weird on a forum full of people who somewhat understand the game. I see that alllllll the time with donks. AA is invincible so a fishies mindset is "how can I have as many players and money in there?"OP, this would have to be one sick setup or more likely just a coincidence. I suppose the original "plan" would be for you and the rest of the players to call the min-raise and then the AA goes all-in but you probably have a better idea than us since you were there.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

I think you're analyzing the wrong part of this hand. A player with AA called a 3xBB raise after two other callers. This, by itself, is very unusual. That was followed by a player on his left minraising blind. This is just about the ideal and lucky situation for someone calling with AA after three people entered a pot.

I'm analyzing the part of the hand that the poster has control of. He mysteriously left out his hand, what it was, and is in no way taking responsibility for donking off his stack, but instead is looking for cheaters.

[RDog 0]

I'm analyzing the part of the hand that the poster has control of. He mysteriously left out his hand, what it was, and is in no way taking responsibility for donking off his stack, but instead is looking for cheaters.

LOL, no seriously LOL. At what point did this become a strat hand?

[NoxKo 0]

It's only weird on a forum full of people who somewhat understand the game. I see that alllllll the time with donks. AA is invincible so a fishies mindset is "how can I have as many players and money in there?"

Your response makes no sense. If his mindset is really what you say it is, then why not just call the re-raise instead of pushing all in?It's definitely fishy.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Okay, I have question about a strange hand I played in a 1-2 NL, 100 min/max buy in cash game.I raised to 6 UTG with XX. The three guys after me all called. The next guy minraised without looking at his cards. I am 100 percent positive he didn't look at his cards. It folds to me and I push all in. The first caller folds. The second caller folds. The third caller (directly on the reraiser's right) immediately goes all in with AA. The reraiser folds, claiming he had KQ, but didn't look at his cards for the first time until after he declared he was folding. Anyone have any thoughts on the way this hand played out?The re-raiser and the guy with aces were chatting while we were playing, but nothing to make me think they were either friends or strangers. If you would've told me either was the case, I would've believed you. After this hand, they both left the table within the next 20 minutes, probably ten minutes apart. That could've been coincidence, though, since the table was dying down around the time the second one left.

Meh. They weren't after your $100 bucks in the way you think.Of course, I make a point to remember who they were.

[Dizzyg8r 0]

The next guy minraised without looking at his cards. I am 100 percent positive he didn't look at his cards.

Can you really be 100% certain he didn't look at his cards? He could have looked while your were looking at your own cards or grabbing chips to raise with. There is also a way to look at your cards as you're pulling them from the spot where the dealer pitched them without people being able to tell unless they are really watching you.

[Naismith 0]

Can you really be 100% certain he didn't look at his cards? He could have looked while your were looking at your own cards or grabbing chips to raise with. There is also a way to look at your cards as you're pulling them from the spot where the dealer pitched them without people being able to tell unless they are really watching you.

LOL. Okay, 99% certain. Literally, the only way he could've looked is if he did it the exact second I did mine. To whomever is talking about me donking off my stack, I have absolutely no issue with making fun of a bad play I've made. I've posted a ton of hands on here and I've never once claimed someone was cheating or whatever. This hand was just so unusual, I wanted to see what people on here thought. I know you're just trying to take the opportunity to flame someone, but I've posted many hands played much worse than this.If this was collusion, I don't think my money was the specific target. A MP minraise will never lock out anyone behind the MP player in this game, so if it was collusion, I think the goal was to get as many people to put in 12 dollars before the aces jam it.

[hank213 1,823]

Maybe AA had a read on the guy as an internet minraise freak and could be fairly certain it would be minraised and maybe even get a caller or three, then he shoves picking up more money. Your shove was just donk-gravy.

[Naismith 0]

Maybe AA had a read on the guy as an internet minraise freak and could be fairly certain it would be minraised and maybe even get a caller or three, then he shoves picking up more money. Your shove was just donk-gravy.

That actually could've been the case as the minraiser had been re-raising me often. This was the first minraise. I think I'm going to choose to believe this scenario...that AA was aware of MP's fondness in re-raising me.

[ah2388 0]

definitely could be collusion, but given your last post, another fairly likely optiontake a note sir, and dont sit with these two again:D