Help On The Turn With Lots Of Action

[kemkers 0]

NL100 cashgameBB is LAG, and seems to play decent. MP2 is a calling station donkeyHero has been playing LAGeveryones stack is 100x bbHero is dealt Ac 7c on buttonUTG foldUTG+1 foldMP1 foldMP2 call 1 $MP3 foldCO foldHero raise to 3,5 $BB raise to 7 $MP2 calls 7 $Hero calls 3,5 $pot 21,5 $flop As Qh 3sBB bets 8 $MP2 calls 8 $Hero calls 8 $Pot 45,5 $ turn As Qh 3s - 7hBB bets 20 $MP2 calls 20 $Hero ??

[jimhoff14 0]

NL100 cashgameBB is LAG, and seems to play decent. MP2 is a calling station donkeyHero has been playing LAGeveryones stack is 100x bbHero is dealt Ac 7c on buttonUTG foldUTG+1 foldMP1 foldMP2 call 1 $MP3 foldCO foldHero raise to 3,5 $BB raise to 7 $MP2 calls 7 $Hero calls 3,5 $pot 21,5 $flop As Qh 3sBB bets 8 $MP2 calls 8 $Hero calls 8 $Pot 45,5 $ turn As Qh 3s - 7hBB bets 20 $MP2 calls 20 $Hero ??

I'm not too sure if the BB has us beat, but hopefully he only has AK. I think the calling station is on some sort of draw, probably flush. I would push here and hope that BB doesn't show up with AQ, AA, or QQ. Maybe you might get a call from MP2 who is on a draw. Either way, I think you have the best hand and need to push to protect it.

[shinzilla 0]

I'm not that huge of a fan of how the flop was played. I think raising>folding>calling there. Definitely raise the turn... there are way too many hands in BB's range that you beat.

[antistuff 0]

whats the bbs range once he bets that turn into two players after that action preflop with an ace and a queen on the board? i have a feeling it doesn't look good for you. you said he seems good. the only hand a good player could have there that you beat is ak. a call on the flop is warranted in case he has kings, jacks, or tens. but once you get to that turn and you have to call that bet and probably another big bet on the river i don't like your spot.

[sabes99 0]

as played shovefold the flop, you are beat 99.9999999% of the time...if you aren't folding, raise, but please don't call

[antistuff 0]

as played shovefold the flop, you are beat 99.9999999% of the time...if you aren't folding, raise, but please don't call

if you are beat that much on the flop then you are beat only slightly less on the turn.

[whatgreatis 0]

NL100 cashgameBB is LAG, and seems to play decent. MP2 is a calling station donkeyHero has been playing LAGeveryones stack is 100x bbHero is dealt Ac 7c on buttonUTG foldUTG+1 foldMP1 foldMP2 call 1 $MP3 foldCO foldHero raise to 3,5 $BB raise to 7 $MP2 calls 7 $Hero calls 3,5 $pot 21,5 $flop As Qh 3sBB bets 8 $MP2 calls 8 $Hero calls 8 $Pot 45,5 $ turn As Qh 3s - 7hBB bets 20 $MP2 calls 20 $Hero ??

I dont like how this hand was played. I dont think theres much value in defining your hand preflop with a raise after a limper. Everyone at the table puts you on an ace, so when BB raises he's saying "I've got your ace beat" at which point i would have folded preflop. Now that you've called with a weak ace in position and hit your ace your stuck with a lot of problems. BB bets out here, he could have AK AQ AA KK QQ JJ 1010. AKAQAAQQ all still have you beat on the flop but yet you call a bet. I think thats a bad choice but there is a possiblity he has KK and hopes you'll fold thinking he has AK.By the turn you've hit two pair and are either setting yourself up to lose a huge pot with a marginal hand or have a really tough descion. Dont get me wrong, your hand could be good here. that turn now allows you to beat AK which could easily be his hand. With him betting again on the turn you can rule out the possiblity of KKJJ1010. I would have never gotten this far with this hand and I think you're beat on the turn and should lay it down. Ask yourself this, what hand can I beat that he'd be willing to fire two bullets after I defined my hand as having an ace? Pretty much nothing. Cut your losses and fold the hand. I advise folding weak aces after someone reraises you preflop as you're nearly never ahead and flopping an ace can be troublesome.

[KoRnholio 2]

Shove and then cry when shown AQ/QQ.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Welcome to the forum.I know you said the that BB has been playing decent LAG, but he's not a good player if he min reraises preflop OOP.I think the play of the hand is actually fine. For everyone who says to raise on the flop, why are we raising? He'll fold anything we beat and reraise or call with hands that we're drawing almost dead to. Since his bet is pretty small, I think that calling the flop is 100% correct since we're WA/WB anyway. The idiot calling in between does complicate things, but from the OP's description, he could have KQ or similar garbage here.On the turn things are a little tricky. The BB bets again, which usually signal strength, but it's also a weak bet on a draw heavy board, which indicates a kind of weakness. It's almost as if he knows he should bet again, but doesn't want to get too committed. Either that, or he's got a set or top 2.I think that raising here is bad for 2 reasons.1. The BB either has you crushed (and you're drawing dead) or you have him drawing almost dead.2. The other player is a calling station and likely won't fold if you raise to "protect" your hand from the draws anyway.I think flat calling and seeing a river is a good move. If the BB bets again you are probably gonna have to call a reasonable bet. If he checks, you can value bet. If a draw comes through and the donkey comes to life, it's probably time to fold.

[shinzilla 0]

Welcome to the forum.I know you said the that BB has been playing decent LAG, but he's not a good player if he min reraises preflop OOP.I think the play of the hand is actually fine. For everyone who says to raise on the flop, why are we raising? He'll fold anything we beat and reraise or call with hands that we're drawing almost dead to. Since his bet is pretty small, I think that calling the flop is 100% correct since we're WA/WB anyway. The idiot calling in between does complicate things, but from the OP's description, he could have KQ or similar garbage here.On the turn things are a little tricky. The BB bets again, which usually signal strength, but it's also a weak bet on a draw heavy board, which indicates a kind of weakness. It's almost as if he knows he should bet again, but doesn't want to get too committed. Either that, or he's got a set or top 2.I think that raising here is bad for 2 reasons.1. The BB either has you crushed (and you're drawing dead) or you have him drawing almost dead.2. The other player is a calling station and likely won't fold if you raise to "protect" your hand from the draws anyway.I think flat calling and seeing a river is a good move. If the BB bets again you are probably gonna have to call a reasonable bet. If he checks, you can value bet. If a draw comes through and the donkey comes to life, it's probably time to fold.

I agree that his betting pattern signifies either a strong hand or a weak hand, but I'm leaning towards a weak hand more so than a strong hand. Wouldn't a strong hand bet more to price flush draws out? It seems to me that BB's most likely holding is a flush draw, hoping to see the turn and river cheaply. Why not see where we are on the flop with a raise? That way we can dump our hand when we get 3-bet or charge the flush draw for drawing.

[kemkers 0]

Welcome to the forum....

Thanks to everyone for great replies. Looks like a quality forum ! And a friendly one too :)Gonna study replies better tomorrow, when I have more time. But i looks like I wasn`t as strong as I thought...

[sabes99 0]

if you are beat that much on the flop then you are beat only slightly less on the turn.

true, but i think the hands that we beat now (A-K, A-J, A-10) make the difference in shoving and folding...i don't like just calling, we'll have too much of our stack in there to just fold on the end