Flopped Tenth Nut Trips

[Naismith 0]

Okay, this is the second hand of the day for everyone at the table.The game is 1/2 NL with a 100 max/min buy. It sucks.Here's the action of the first hand:UTG limps. CO limps. My buddy in the SB completes. I check the BB with something. Flop:K-5-2, rainbow.UTG bets. CO calls. Turn:K-5-2-4UTG bets. CO calls.River is a blank. Check, check. UTG shows A5. CO shows 9-10.Now, onto my hand which immediately followed that one.I have A3 on the small blind. Same old guy that was the CO in the first hand limps in.Flop:A-A-6 with two diamonds.I bet out 6. Folds around to the old man who makes it 20.Hero...?

[shinzilla 0]

Hell, I'd just raise right there. We know that this guy is a complete donkey. He could easily have a flush draw or a 6. If the board were rainbow, I'd c/c, but I dunno, I'd personally play it fast.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I'd personally play it fast.

And expect to get paid by what? We beat a bluff.

[sabes99 0]

ugh...i might just call and try to get a better handle on what he has on the turn, but it doesn't look like that will do you any good in this particular situation...i guess i would have to be there and see what the guy was doing, but with that information notwithstanding i'm not good enough to fold trips here, so i would shove while puking, despite the fact that it's probably the wrong play

[bdc30 0]

We know he's a donkey because of our vast sample size of one hand?

[Acid_Knight 2]

We know he's a donkey because of our vast sample size of one hand?

When someone makes a move that displays such vast stupidity as the one hand that Naismith mentioned, you can assume many more things about a player than if you witnessed just one regular suspect play.

[sabes99 0]

We know he's a donkey because of our vast sample size of one hand?

did you read the hand?the guy called the flop and turn and checked behind on the river with 10-9 high, no draw

[antistuff 0]

ouch that is a very nasty spot. i think this just depends completely on your read of him. consider though that if you play back and he has an ace your money is going in very bad while if he doesn't i have a feeling that he isn't going to stack off with 910 high. what was the action like on that first hand? small pot? utg making little 1/2 pot size bets? great place to look like a moron. and notice that he showed his cards, he didn't just toss them into the muck.

[KoRnholio 2]

Tough spot. He could be a complete donkey in that he throws his money away by calling, but only ever raises strong hands (this seems very common). If he was an aggro bluffing donk, I suspect we'd have seen a raise somewhere in that T9 hand. I suspect that we are beat, but can't see folding the flop.

[CBass1724 1]

Call and hit your 3 on the turn. DO NOT RAISE. He could easily have an ace but I think you are married to the hand in $100 max unlimited betting texas hold'em.

[shinzilla 0]

And expect to get paid by what? We beat a bluff.

I mean... the guy called down with 910 on a K524x board.

[darkrider88 0]

Folding is out of the question. To put this donkey on the case A and fold for 14 more dollars with trips is ridiculous. I'm stuck between raising and calling. You are either WA/WB, so I like calling here and checking/calling the turn, or if there is no turn bet putting in a good bet on the river.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Okay, this is the second hand of the day for everyone at the table.The game is 1/2 NL with a 100 max/min buy. It sucks.Here's the action of the first hand:UTG limps. CO limps. My buddy in the SB completes. I check the BB with something. Flop:K-5-2, rainbow.UTG bets. CO calls. Turn:K-5-2-4UTG bets. CO calls.River is a blank. Check, check. UTG shows A5. CO shows 9-10.Now, onto my hand which immediately followed that one.I have A3 on the small blind. Same old guy that was the CO in the first hand limps in.Flop:A-A-6 with two diamonds.I bet out 6. Folds around to the old man who makes it 20.Hero...?

I have yet to see an old man who lays down an ace. Actually, I think I just said this about five days ago on this forum.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I have yet to see an old man who lays down an ace. Actually, I think I just said this about five days ago on this forum.

Watch Doyle Brunson.

[NoBBiR 0]

Folding is out of the question. To put this donkey on the case A and fold for 14 more dollars with trips is ridiculous. I'm stuck between raising and calling. You are either WA/WB, so I like calling here and checking/calling the turn, or if there is no turn bet putting in a good bet on the river.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Watch Doyle Brunson.

I haven't seen Doyle play in person. I'm talking about your run of the mill old man at the 1/2 game. They're there to play ace-anything.

[Naismith 0]

For those advocating a call here, what do we think we're ahead of? Do we think he has a six? A pocket pair? Obviously I'm not looking for reasons to convince myself to fold trips, but how much value do I put into the knowledge that on the previous hand he didn't try to make a move with 10-high, rather just called down and hoped he hit?

[mtdesmoines 3]

For those advocating a call here, what do we think we're ahead of? Do we think he has a six? A pocket pair? Obviously I'm not looking for reasons to convince myself to fold trips, but how much value do I put into the knowledge that on the previous hand he didn't try to make a move with 10-high, rather just called down and hoped he hit?

I think it's -EV to see if the board pairs or you hit your 3.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I think it's -EV to see if the board pairs or you hit your 3.

Then you're pretty much agreeing he has to fold?Unrelated: 1 year on the forums: 2500th post!!I spend too much time at work doing this obviously.

[rdtedm 0]

Then you're pretty much agreeing he has to fold?Unrelated: 1 year on the forums: 2500th post!!I spend too much time at work doing this obviously.

Are you ever on the forums at home? If it weren't for my boring deskjob, I think I'd have maybe 1/5th of my posts..

[mtdesmoines 3]

Then you're pretty much agreeing he has to fold?

Pretty much. I say it's 90% likely that the old man has the case ace and a ... whatever .... 7? ... 8? . ..... 9? definitely something crappy, but good enough to beat our hero here ...I suppose it's POSSIBLE villain has a FD. POSSIBLE ...

[darkrider88 0]

How can we advocate folding for 14 dollars?? Did you read the first hand? If he only needed 10 high to call bets, do you think he needs much more to raise a bet? Small PP are possible, a 6 is possible, even KQ or something like that is possible. Of course he may have the case A with a better kicker, but combined with the other possiblities+sucking out chances there is no way he can fold this.

[rdtedm 0]

How can we advocate folding for 14 dollars?? Did you read the first hand? If he only needed 10 high to call bets, do you think he needs much more to raise a bet? Small PP are possible, a 6 is possible, even KQ or something like that is possible. Of course he may have the case A with a better kicker, but combined with the other possiblities+sucking out chances there is no way he can fold this.

Well, old guy did only CALL when he had ten high, so we don't know exactly what he raises with. I think an ace is in his range, but so is every other hand in existence except AA and any hand involving the card with directions on it.

[CBass1724 1]

I just can't fold trips like this for $100 max buy in. That $100 is just not scared. If I lost a hand like this, I would reload and win it back.Edit: if you just call the raise...then what are we folding to on the turn and river? Is there any card that will scare us away? Are we calling a shove on the turn or river? Check calling will eventually put us all in if we go the whole way doing that. I think I'd shove now and take my chances. Folding would be an ok choice if we had more than 50bb's.

[Acid_Knight 2]

How can we advocate folding for 14 dollars?? Did you read the first hand? If he only needed 10 high to call bets, do you think he needs much more to raise a bet? Small PP are possible, a 6 is possible, even KQ or something like that is possible. Of course he may have the case A with a better kicker, but combined with the other possiblities+sucking out chances there is no way he can fold this.

He called with the other hand. He's raising here. HUGE difference. If we call, we're banking on the fact that he raised without the A, becuase if he has ti, we're screwed. I don't know what "sucking out chances" you're really talking about here. We have 3 outs to win the pot and 3 to tie.