Kk Utg

[Snamuh 0]

Oh, this is a full ring hand, lol. Regardless, I would still not fold this on the flop. Here is how we're doing against what I believe is villain's realistic hand range:39,600 games 0.005 secs 7,920,000 games/secBoard: Qh 9d JsDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 46.997% 46.35% 00.65% 18353 258.00 { KcKs }Hand 1: 53.003% 52.35% 00.65% 20731 258.00 { 99, KTs, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, QJo, JTo }

I'm not going to say what it was yet but you failed to include the villain's actual hand in this range.

[danc1984 0]

I'm not going to say what it was yet but you failed to include the villain's actual hand in this range.

QQ or JJ?

[Lavitz 0]

TT is also in range.

[nomad_monad 0]

You make some very strong points here. What I don't like about raising is that by raising, we'll have committed our entire stack to the hand (because we certainly can't raise/fold) and when we do get called/shoved on, we're going to be behind. I agree that his most likely hand is a pair+OESD, but the thing is, I think most villains will be willing to go all the way on the flop with these hands. Why not wait for a safe turn to put our money in when villain will be going all-in on the flop with almost his entire range?

The problem is we don't know what a safe card really is.The safe card for us if we're ahead is also a bad card for us if we're behind.Turn brings another 9. Good card if he has QJ, bad if he has a 9x combo draw or Q9/J9 - we're drawing to 6 outs max.Turn brings an A. Could be a blank, but could also be horrible if he was just getting frisky with AQ.Turn brings a K. Yippee! Er, oh no... villain had TT. Let us suck out please.Turn brings a 2. Good if has a combo draw, not so great if he has 2 pr/set. If we push on the flop v. the 2pr/set range, we are about a 2-1 dog. On the turn we worsen to 3-1. Granted, we're a huge favorite if he has a combo draw, but how much are we really improving by waiting 'till the turn? We go from nearly a 3-1 favorite to a 4-1 favorite. The worsening of our chances against a hand we're behind is more significant than the improvement against a hand we're ahead.

I would call and shove a safe card... Remember - No Limit Texas Holdemaments rewards bold and aggressive play.

If we're just citing rules here, then I prefer "We don't wait for safe cards in hold'em."Flop is fold or raise.

[Lavitz 0]

If you're folding this flop against what is essentially a minraise, you should not have c-bet. Folding after C-betting just because you got some resistance is very, very weak in my opinion. You have no idea where you're at in the hand by just folding and you could be losing a lot of value.This is Q10, AJ, AQ, Q8, KQ A LOT. He's LAG too, why would you open fold?

There are numerous situations where it is correct to c-bet and fold to a min reraise.Also, I think Q8 is one hell of a stretch in his hand raise.More I look at this hand, more I like cold calling and reevaluating turn. Folding still better then pushing though.

[NoBBiR 0]

Yes, I understand c-betting and folding is common, but not when you actually have something. When you get raised after C-betting air, folding is fine. On this hand you don't have air, you have a hand, so folding just because the board is somewhat scary is somewhat retarded IMO. If you find yourself folding to minraises, maybe NLHE isn't the best game for you.And Q8 isn't really a stretch if we're also to include J9 and Q9 in the villian's range.As for not including the villians hand in the range, he could also have KQ or AQ rather easily. As a matter of fact, KQ makes a lot of sense based on what villian's actions have been.

[Snamuh 0]

I ended up shoving which I think was a terrible play on my part (Folding would probably be my favorite option because of many of the above reasons listed). Villain insta-called with JJ and I did not improve.

[nomad_monad 0]

I ended up shoving which I think was a terrible play on my part (Folding would probably be my favorite option because of many of the above reasons listed). Villain insta-called with JJ and I did not improve.

I thought the most important parts of this hand were:22.7/11.4/2.45Villain = call from relatively early position, full ringChange the stats or the villain's position to LP and you shouldn't feel bad about the push.