Snamuh 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Villain is fairly unknown but appears TAG. What's my turn action? Check behind and induce a river bet? Seems like this is a JJ/QQ type hand or maybe something like AhKh.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)SB ($29.50)BB ($9.70)UTG ($76.45)UTG+1 ($85.15)MP1 ($46.25)MP2 ($33.15)CO ($83.05)Hero ($54.15)Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A. UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 raises to $2.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $5.50.Flop: ($17.25) Q, 9, Q(2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $12, UTG+1 calls $12.Turn: ($41.25) 8(2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero? Link to post Share on other sites
Cappy37 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 I can't put him on J10 raising under the gun... I'm pretty sure we are looking at a heart draw here or a 9.. Make 'em pay, if he goes out now it's free money.I don't put him on a Q because he isn't likely going to give away too many free cards with that kind of drawy board.You only have $34 or so left on the turn, which makes this a tough decision. If you want to shove, he won't give you credit for having a hand that strong, but if you lead out, he's may worry that you are (indeed) value betting.. I can't put him on a Q or J10, I think we are ahead here and I test him right now on the turn. The only card that hurts you is a heart on the river, make him pay to see it, I think we actually shove here, given how the pot is actually larger then our stack. We get called with a wide range of hands worse than ours, and we make him draw to a flush at a bad price.I'm certainly open to suggestions, of course. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Villain is fairly unknown but appears TAG. What's my turn action? Check behind and induce a river bet? Seems like this is a JJ/QQ type hand or maybe something like AhKh.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)SB ($29.50)BB ($9.70)UTG ($76.45)UTG+1 ($85.15)MP1 ($46.25)MP2 ($33.15)CO ($83.05)Hero ($54.15)Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A. UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 raises to $2.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $5.50.Flop: ($17.25) Q, 9, Q(2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $12, UTG+1 calls $12.Turn: ($41.25) 8(2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero?I check the turn and call most rivers. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Author Share Posted July 29, 2007 I can't put him on J10 raising under the gun... I'm pretty sure we are looking at a heart draw here or a 9.. Make 'em pay, if he goes out now it's free money.I don't put him on a Q because he isn't likely going to give away too many free cards with that kind of drawy board.You only have $34 or so left on the turn, which makes this a tough decision. If you want to shove, he won't give you credit for having a hand that strong, but if you lead out, he's may worry that you are (indeed) value betting.. I can't put him on a Q or J10, I think we are ahead here and I test him right now on the turn. The only card that hurts you is a heart on the river, make him pay to see it, I think we actually shove here, given how the pot is actually larger then our stack. We get called with a wide range of hands worse than ours, and we make him draw to a flush at a bad price.I'm certainly open to suggestions, of course. What 9 is a TAG raising UTG other than 99? Link to post Share on other sites
mentallyretardedpear 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 What 9 is a TAG raising UTG other than 99?i agree, its a nasty board (esp since in my head i already rivered the 10h for ya) I check behind, and call the river (most of the time) Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 Villain is fairly unknown but appears TAG. What's my turn action? Check behind and induce a river bet? Seems like this is a JJ/QQ type hand or maybe something like AhKh.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)SB ($29.50)BB ($9.70)UTG ($76.45)UTG+1 ($85.15)MP1 ($46.25)MP2 ($33.15)CO ($83.05)Hero ($54.15)Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A. UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 raises to $2.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $5.50.Flop: ($17.25) Q, 9, Q(2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $12, UTG+1 calls $12.Turn: ($41.25) 8(2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero?I don't know how you can't get it in here. Link to post Share on other sites
sabes99 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 i shove here, it will make a drawing hand pay to beat you, and if he has 10-10/J-J he might pay it off...the board looks awful but there just aren't too many reasonable hands that beat you Link to post Share on other sites
mentallyretardedpear 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 i shove here, it will make a drawing hand pay to beat you, and if he has 10-10/J-J he might pay it off...the board looks awful but there just aren't too many reasonable hands that beat youAQ KQ QJ 99? All hands played in donktacular lower stakes tables Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 AQ KQ QJ 99? All hands played in donktacular lower stakes tablesOh well. Seriously. Link to post Share on other sites
BrandonPL 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 I also like the check and call on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Lavitz 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 I'm pushing since we essentially only have a pot bet left anyways. If we don't push here we have to call most non heart rivers anyways and since the pot size is basically the rest of our stack, he'll likely be putting us all in anyways with hands we are behind to, such as AQ and 99, meaning the result is the same as pushing the turn. Also if we check and a heart peels then we almost have to fold to any bet when he could be donking it up with a hand like JJ/KK and really thinks he is value betting. If pot wasn't 3 bet or we were deeper I check and plan on check/calling most rivers. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 I was wondering if anyone was gonna notice that.We've got $34 left, might as well bet it, imo. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 I was wondering if anyone was gonna notice that.We've got $34 left, might as well bet it, imo.I think letting the TAG push is better than getting him to call... that is just me. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Author Share Posted July 29, 2007 I was wondering if anyone was gonna notice that.We've got $34 left, might as well bet it, imo.If we shove, what calls that we beat? KK maybe? Anything else? Link to post Share on other sites
sierradave 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 If we shove, what calls that we beat? KK maybe? Anything else?Combo draw, like AJs or A10s. Also JJ or 1010 that picked up outs and is muttering "no way does he have a queen..."I agree, if stacks were deeper I'd check behind for pot control. I'd rather be calling one pot-sized bet on the river than face a stack threat on a dangerous board that is also inviting bluffs. As is, any bet on the turn here is essentially an all-in bet, as we're either betting our stack or building a pot so big that calling a reraise or river bet is automatic anyway. If we check behind, do we expect the villain to lead out on the river with a 9 or a pocket pair other than kings? Might as well fire. Link to post Share on other sites
mentallyretardedpear 0 Posted July 29, 2007 Share Posted July 29, 2007 I was wondering if anyone was gonna notice that.We've got $34 left, might as well bet it, imo.i didnt see how short he was... shiptheboomsauce? Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings7 0 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 I say bet because I'm an ultra aggressive donk that bets every street with every hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 If you had any more money left behind, this is a simple check behind and call most non-heart rivers. With the little that you do have left, you just shovel here. If he's on a flush draw, hopefully he'll come along. If he's got Qx, he wasn't folding anyway. Your stack is the determining factor for the turn push here. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 If you had any more money left behind, this is a simple check behind and call most non-heart rivers. With the little that you do have left, you just shovel here. If he's on a flush draw, hopefully he'll come along. If he's got Qx, he's pushing anyway. Your stack is the determining factor for the turn push here.subtle fyp Link to post Share on other sites
Lavitz 0 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 If we shove, what calls that we beat? KK maybe? Anything else?A draw or a PP. Sometimes a 9. Link to post Share on other sites
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