Plo8 Making A Comeback(low Content)

[ahosang 0]

Yeh, PLO8 traffic has been up across various sites recently. Don't know whether it'll last, but I'm striking while the iron's hot.After many years of poker and advocating various games as 'most profitable', i've finally realised that no game is more profitable for me against the widest range of opponents than PLO8(though I actually prefer stud8 conceptually).Not quitting my day job of course, but there's enough fishy play(of varying style) to pull in a decent second income. The roll's online and the first fortnight's been good(what else you expect from the most one-sided of all the common games out there???). Pity the poor holdem guys and their never-ending downswings...Anyone else have any thoughts about the state of the games? Are the old crowd of posters still playing?

[sabes99 0]

boy, if only i could play omaha 8 well...people play that game badly enough to begin with, and then in PL? it has to be an extremely profitable game for someone who knows what they are doing

[antistuff 0]

eh on full tilt lately its been hit and miss. every so often you find yourself at a table full of regulars none of whom are especially bad players. maybe you could tear that up, but for me its just not profitable.im looking into some other sites like bodog and cake poker. the games that run there when they do run look softer than an 80 year old mans thingie.

[Zach6668 513]

FYI, for LO8... look into AP.Full benefits aside, it's quite soft, and usually always a 2/4 game or two going, and most usually a 3/6 or 5/10 game going.I imagine to multitable effectively, you'd have to multi-site, but if you're looking to add a table or two, check out AP.

[ahosang 0]

boy, if only i could play omaha 8 well...people play that game badly enough to begin with, and then in PL? it has to be an extremely profitable game for someone who knows what they are doing

Extraordinarily profitable game, but it takes a bit of experience to know when to build the pot and then bluff on certain boards against 'weak-tight experts'. Or how to induce people to put money in when you're cruising. Went a buy-in up today despite not stacking anyone or even 3/4 scooping them. Profitability against wide range of opponents with very little variance - 2 buy-ins down I consider a disaster.

eh on full tilt lately its been hit and miss. every so often you find yourself at a table full of regulars none of whom are especially bad players. maybe you could tear that up, but for me its just not profitable.im looking into some other sites like bodog and cake poker. the games that run there when they do run look softer than an 80 year old mans thingie.

No, Full Tilt is terribly tight, so stealing small pots isn't worth it. Stars is a little better, so of those 2 tight sites, choose stars. For me i need $200 tables and higher, so: Party(for non-US) has $200 and $400 games(and the $1000 game is going again recently), UB is good, Bodog occasionally, ladbrokes(non-us) has a table, and occasionally Ongame. Cake must be one of the only networks I've never tried but I did notice them listing a $200 table on pokersitescout.com The idea is to multi-site when my new PC+monitor turns up - right now using 1280x? makes my old eyes hurt, and there's too much overlap in 1024x?. And the current PC struggles with running 3 or 4 poker apps together, especially Party and ladbrokes.

[ahosang 0]

FYI, for LO8... look into AP.Full benefits aside, it's quite soft, and usually always a 2/4 game or two going, and most usually a 3/6 or 5/10 game going.I imagine to multitable effectively, you'd have to multi-site, but if you're looking to add a table or two, check out AP.

Very true - 3 or 4 LO8 tables at $2/$4, but I'm not as good at LO8, though some of them are loose enough to just play old-fashioned nut-peddling for those who like LO8. And so true about multi-siting, it's got to be done for PLO8.

[Zach6668 513]

Yeah, I just realized that this post was about PLO8, not limit. I was pretty drunk last night, lol.

[yeffy 0]

I do love this game...and the fact that it's catching on as a live game now too. They had a PLO8 tourney last Dec. at the Taj and it drew more people then the stud event (oh yeah I finished in the top 18 obv brag...that damn Chris Reslock sucked out on me to bust me and go on to win the thing) and there have been a few more now too. I also played in a half PLO half PLO8 game at the Wynn one night about 9 months ago.

[BrandonPL 0]

There were a number of PLO8 cash games during the series this year both at the RIO and at Binions. The problem with the game is that the bad players loose their money so much faster than in PLO where no hand is really all that far behind. In PLO8 its very easy to have a bad player drawing to 1/4 of the pot at most for a large amount of money. I sure do hope the game gets going again though!

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Not to try to discourage or anything, but I just logged into PS to check and all I saw is one table above $400. Yeah at lower limits if you want to nutpeddle some easy pocket changes then it's fine, but the problem is the nature of this game, as it progresses the pond just dries up. It's sad but oh well have fun.As of plo8 tournaments, without deepstack it's just a crapshoot.

[checkymcfold 0]

eh on full tilt lately its been hit and miss. every so often you find yourself at a table full of regulars none of whom are especially bad players. maybe you could tear that up, but for me its just not profitable.

if you're playing 6max, try potting literally every hand that's not trips or a shitty low pair with no good low preflop if your opponents are tight. not joking.plo8 is a fking goldmine if you're willing to blow a buyin or two at the start of every session for image.

[antistuff 0]

so i just signed up for an account at bodog today. i almost dont want to let the secret out, but holy ****ing **** wow. 8 handed raised pots. people cold calling reraised pots preflop with 24jt. of course so far im down a little over two buyins in 106 hands as i havent won a pot yet. the software is horrible though. i think its gonna take me a while to be able to get used to it and be able to play as good as i do at other sites, it throws me off that badly.

[BrandonPL 0]

so i just signed up for an account at bodog today. i almost dont want to let the secret out, but holy ****ing **** wow. 8 handed raised pots. people cold calling reraised pots preflop with 24jt. of course so far im down a little over two buyins in 106 hands as i havent won a pot yet. the software is horrible though. i think its gonna take me a while to be able to get used to it and be able to play as good as i do at other sites, it throws me off that badly.

What limits do they seem to have running regularly?

[antistuff 0]

What limits do they seem to have running regularly?

around 12 they had 3 games of $25 i think two 50 and one 100. they all look super sporadic with people coming and going though. if you are going to sign up you might as well get rakeback and you might as well use my referrer link. i dont want to spam so if you feel like being nice PM me for it.

[ahosang 0]

Not to try to discourage or anything, but I just logged into PS to check and all I saw is one table above $400. Yeah at lower limits if you want to nutpeddle some easy pocket changes then it's fine, but the problem is the nature of this game, as it progresses the pond just dries up. It's sad but oh well have fun.As of plo8 tournaments, without deepstack it's just a crapshoot.

Yeh, Stars wouldn't ever be the main site, but multi-siting will be necessary. Even 1 table across 4 sites at >=$200 will be OK. It means spreading the roll around but so be it. Checky raised a good point about beating tight games, but Full Tilt is just pointless IMO. As for the players at lower limits, get involved in this game!!Obviously i have an interest in the game's growth, but I truly believe some of the holdem crowd would appreciate the change of pace at the lower limits. Some won't like it, but those who get the hang of it will be amazed at the profitability(with low variance) of this game.To antistuff, yes software can screw with your brain's processes, but any software can do that. Just be patient and stick to principles and you'll be OK.

[BrandonPL 0]

around 12 they had 3 games of $25 i think two 50 and one 100. they all look super sporadic with people coming and going though. if you are going to sign up you might as well get rakeback and you might as well use my referrer link. i dont want to spam so if you feel like being nice PM me for it.

I would take you up on that but I've had an account there for many years I just never played on it. Thanks though!

[checkymcfold 0]

Yeh, Stars wouldn't ever be the main site, but multi-siting will be necessary. Even 1 table across 4 sites at >=$200 will be OK. It means spreading the roll around but so be it. Checky raised a good point about beating tight games, but Full Tilt is just pointless IMO. As for the players at lower limits, get involved in this game!!Obviously i have an interest in the game's growth, but I truly believe some of the holdem crowd would appreciate the change of pace at the lower limits. Some won't like it, but those who get the hang of it will be amazed at the profitability(with low variance) of this game.To antistuff, yes software can screw with your brain's processes, but any software can do that. Just be patient and stick to principles and you'll be OK.

really? i've been running at more than 50bb/100 for over 4k hands at 1/2 and 2/4 on FTP, not joking--and i'm not even running especially hot. i'm seeing about 50-65% of flops depending on the game and betting at somewhere around 80% of the flops i see. i tend to blow a buyin on purpose early in my session and make it back the first time i make a 2 way hand, and only 1-2 players have shown any willingness to adapt to my hyperlag style. i honestly prefer to play against players who are extremely solid in this game--it allows me to steal literally every pot where a playable hand couldn't have hit, and you can push people off naked low draws, etc. stars may be better if you like to play solid, but for hyperlag, FTP is where it's at, yo.

[ahosang 0]

really? i've been running at more than 50bb/100 for over 4k hands at 1/2 and 2/4 on FTP, not joking--and i'm not even running especially hot. i'm seeing about 50-65% of flops depending on the game and betting at somewhere around 80% of the flops i see. i tend to blow a buyin on purpose early in my session and make it back the first time i make a 2 way hand, and only 1-2 players have shown any willingness to adapt to my hyperlag style. i honestly prefer to play against players who are extremely solid in this game--it allows me to steal literally every pot where a playable hand couldn't have hit, and you can push people off naked low draws, etc. stars may be better if you like to play solid, but for hyperlag, FTP is where it's at, yo.

Well that's interesting. Last time I played Tilt - only up to 0100GMT, hardly anyone ever came in pre-flop, and if they didn't hit hard, they were gone, so I've had a negative image of that site. But I've changed to play from 0000 - 0600GMT, and maybe more action then. I'll take another look because Tilt gives me rakeback too. To be honest, I find playing against idiots on Party and UB more entertaining when they throw their money in drawing to ¹/₄ of the pot, but maybe I'll have to focus and tackle these FullTilt guys.

[bassplayer45459 0]

It all depends. I have sat down at 1-2 or 0.5 - 1 tables on full tilt and absolutely dominate the game, no one knows what they are doing. Other times i am getting 3-bet and destroyed myself by people who are excellent at the game

[NoBBiR 0]

Dude seriously. This is quite possibly the most delicious game in the world. Huge downswings just dont happen in O8. And people put money in the pot for no reason and pay off when 4 cards to the wheel hit with top two pair. I was playing NL10 and NL25 until i was taking brutal downswings for months. Every single buy in I would make at NLHE I would lose over the next few hours to stupid cards and bad players doing what they do best. I lost almost my whole roll to set over sets in a few days and almost went balistic. Then I sat down at O8 for a little while to get away from NLHE for a break and I haven't been back in like a week. PLO8 is like the best game in the world. I don't think I ever made so much easy money online before. The low variance in this game is ****ing incredible.

[antistuff 0]

Huge downswings just dont happen in O8.

not true. i had a nasty run of cards combined with bad playing i must have dropped around 12 buy ins or maybe more over the course of around 5000 hands. it started at pl$200 and i kept moving down and i got to $25 which i know i can beat really badly and all my freerolls on large pots would miss or i'de have like top two and the nut low draw with 23 and the person who just called of their whole stack with 24 would hit their gutshot. or my personal favorite when i would have somebody drawing for only half the pot with their whole stack in the middle. they would usually hit. i will say that i payed off a lot of people who had like 10% equity on the turn and hit that miracle on the river, much more than i had to or would now, i probably could have saved 1/4 of what i lost. its definitely possible to have a nasty downswing in this game. and when it does happen it happens in such an earth shattering frustrating way that you will wonder how you ever made a single dollar playing poker. when people call your button raises with 2279 and end up stacking you over and over again in places where it was either reasonable for you to get your money in or you were ahead you start feeling like maybe they know something you don't.

[ahosang 0]

Well the games are still OK after a few weeks, too bad my own play has been very mediocre - lol.Still, the future only gets better I hope. As for the variance in this game, there's variance in any poker game, but i think PLO8 can be played against the right opponents with a very low-variance approach. Part of trying to push winrates involves increasing variance like any other game, and opponent selection plays a very important part here.Playing against tights is going to be very different to playing tricksters or weak, silly players, and if you don't pay attention to your opponents, you're notgoing to get anywhere.I think my own play recently has been suffering from this, so I'm gonna focus more - like no more surfing while I multi-table, so bye for now and gl everybody...

[ahosang 0]

Been focussing on play recently and had a good upturn as a result. Here's my general idea of the better sites(for Americans - Boss has a decent table usually for Euros):Bodog - good for a few hours a nightUB - usually has a few decent games goingStars - unusually fishy right now - get on!!FT - bit tighter, so it's more stealing i think.Amazing games at Stars actually if you focus and pick on the occasional uber-donk.

[deadlysyns 0]

I play on Bodog. You can see me usually at the $100 and lower tables at night time.I play every hand. I raise every hand preflop regardless of my position.The other night at the $100 tables the avg pot was $240.Come join the fun with me...I got money to burn...

[troyomac 0]

Screw PLO8.It's alll about the NLO8. Best game ever!