O Rly?

[shinzilla 0]

Villain is 27/5/infinity after 20 hands... which doesn't really mean anything.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($100)UTG ($263.55)MP ($124.70)CO ($109.55)Button ($110.75)SB ($226.50)Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, J. UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero checks.Flop: ($3.50) J, 8, 4(3 players)Hero bets $2.8, UTG raises to $5.6, Button calls $5.60, Hero raises to $20.8, UTG raises to $268.15 (All-In), Button folds, Hero...Call or no?

[nomad_monad 0]

Villain is 27/5/infinity after 20 hands... which doesn't really mean anything.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($100)UTG ($263.55)MP ($124.70)CO ($109.55)Button ($110.75)SB ($226.50)Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, J. UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero checks.Flop: ($3.50) J, 8, 4(3 players)Hero bets $2.8, UTG raises to $5.6, Button calls $5.60, Hero raises to $20.8, UTG raises to $268.15 (All-In), Button folds, Hero...Call or no?

Let's see. He minraised, then pushed over a coldcall by the button and a decent-sized 3-bet from you. Against an unknown, which this guy basically is at this point, I fold. 44 looks more likely than it normally would because of the action, but it's probably 88 limping from UTG to go set-mining. I think the best we're hoping for here is T9c, but if that's the case, why minraise and THEN push? I think you're staring at a set here far more often than not.

[rdtedm 0]

Ugh.. Sick spot.. I think a slowplayed overpair cold calls your big 3-bet.. Looks like 4-4 to me, or a combo draw. Either way, I think this is a fold.

[trystero 0]

Would you call here with KJ? Because that's about as good as J4 right now. Either he's got a monster draw or a monster hand. We're behind both, so I fold it. Yeah, if he turned his draw over obviously we'd call with all that money out there, but it seems more likely given the action that he's got either a set or some bizarrely played J8.

[sabes99 0]

the way this hand was played was so fishy, i think i have to fold...he min-raises your bet, then after the button calls and you re-raise to announce that you have at least two pair or possibly a huge draw, he comes back and shoves...this looks like a set almost every time

[NoBBiR 0]

Rule #74: Never go broke in unraised pots.This def. looks like a fold.

[Zach6668 513]

Rule #74: Never go broke in unraised pots.

The stupidest of all the "rules".

[David_Nicoson 1]

The stupidest of all the "rules".

I saw you made a similar comment in another thread recently. I don't think it's all that bad, and this seems to be a situation to which it applies. If we're putting in all the money after the flop, we have to be pretty confident that we have the best hand. There's no reason we can rule out J8 or a set here.

[Zach6668 513]

I saw you made a similar comment in another thread recently. I don't think it's all that bad, and this seems to be a situation to which it applies. If we're putting in all the money after the flop, we have to be pretty confident that we have the best hand. There's no reason we can rule out J8 or a set here.

Meh, that's just because we can't rule hands out of his range, due to the fact that there was no raise preflop.The "rule" is stupid because there can be a million scenarios where I can imagine myself getting it in, and possibly going broke in unraised pots.

[NoBBiR 0]

Meh, that's just because we can't rule hands out of his range, due to the fact that there was no raise preflop.The "rule" is stupid because there can be a million scenarios where I can imagine myself getting it in, and possibly going broke in unraised pots.

You are right. I'm not saying that you should never go broke in unraised pots (because I certainly find myself in situations where it happens occasionally), it just sounds stupider to say "rarely go broke in unraised pots." Though, perhaps it should say that instead. It's just, as David said, it certainly applies in this situation. Almost all the hands he will make this play with are beating us or we are flipping against. I hate getting it in barely ahead or way behind.Personally I think the stupidest rule ever is Rule 142, b.: Always play Crablar and perform the Pincer dance upon victory.

[NoSup4U 0]

Villain is 27/5/infinity after 20 hands... which doesn't really mean anything.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($100)UTG ($263.55)MP ($124.70)CO ($109.55)Button ($110.75)SB ($226.50)Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, J. UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero checks.Flop: ($3.50) J, 8, 4(3 players)Hero bets $2.8, UTG raises to $5.6, Button calls $5.60, Hero raises to $20.8, UTG raises to $268.15 (All-In), Button folds, Hero...Call or no?

I see donkeys do this with AA all the time. I know you have no read on him though.I probably felt it since you have the 4 making 44 less likely and you're only 100 bbs deep. But I'd never felt this against a solid player.Mark

[David_Nicoson 1]

Meh, that's just because we can't rule hands out of his range, due to the fact that there was no raise preflop.The "rule" is stupid because there can be a million scenarios where I can imagine myself getting it in, and possibly going broke in unraised pots.

It's more of a guideline. If we write the rule more precisely, it's more like:If the pot is small compared to the action that will likely follow, you must be confident that you have the best hand.It's hard to say something like that while you're wearing a cowboy hat though, so it doesn't make such a good rule.Lots of rules have exceptions but still have a core bit of wisdom:

• Don't go broke with one pair. (Exceptions: Crazy opponents, shallow stacks relative to the pot.)
• Fundamental Theorem of Poker (Exceptions: multiway pots)
• Don't cross the streams. (Exception: Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man)

[nomad_monad 0]

It's more of a guideline. If we write the rule more precisely, it's more like:If the pot is small compared to the action that will likely follow, you must be confident that you have the best hand.It's hard to say something like that while you're wearing a cowboy hat though, so it doesn't make such a good rule.Lots of rules have exceptions but still have a core bit of wisdom:

• Don't go broke with one pair. (Exceptions: Crazy opponents, shallow stacks relative to the pot.)
• Fundamental Theorem of Poker (Exceptions: multiway pots)
• Don't cross the streams. (Exception: Stay-Puff Marshmallow Man)

[shinzilla 0]

Results: I folded. It's just hard for me to call that all-in without having any read on the villain. Wish that hand had happened 50 hands in.

[Lavitz 0]

This is a call. After you invested almost 1/4th your stack this is a very easy call I think. You have a blocker to 44 and most people raise 88 6 handed. This is a combo draw so many times.

[Lavitz 0]

I see donkeys do this with AA all the time. I know you have no read on him though.I probably felt it since you have the 4 making 44 less likely and you're only 100 bbs deep. But I'd never felt this against a solid player.Mark

Eh. Most solid players don't limp UTG 6 max.

[mtdesmoines 2]

Villain is 27/5/infinity after 20 hands... which doesn't really mean anything.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($100)UTG ($263.55)MP ($124.70)CO ($109.55)Button ($110.75)SB ($226.50)Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, J. UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero checks.Flop: ($3.50) J, 8, 4(3 players)Hero bets $2.8, UTG raises to $5.6, Button calls $5.60, Hero raises to $20.8, UTG raises to $268.15 (All-In), Button folds, Hero...Call or no?

Nah. I folded top and bottom to TPTK in a similar situation the other night, but I know I was getting rivered anyway.