Is This Standard? Fold Set On Flop

[Royal_Tour 0]

It didnt feel standard at the time, but now that i think about it. it seems pretty standard, thoughts??EDIT: sorry, i F-ed the title1/2 NLNot much info on villain. He is not a donkey, not LAG. thats all i know. He just came from another table. hero - 300villain covershero is button with 3,3Villain bets 5 UTG, 2 folds. MP calls. LP calls, 2 folds. hero call. blinds complete.flop3s 4s 8schecks to hero, Hero bet 15.blinds fold. UTG call. MP fold, LP fold.HU.turn 7h.villain check, hero bet 45. villain pushes all in, hero tanks and folds.

[shinzilla 0]

Are you high? lol first you didn't fold your set on the flop, you folded it on the turn. An openfarrell (does anyone else remember this? what a joke, lol) would be really bad on the flop. Second, I'm not sure if I fold the turn. A CRAI? Kind of an overbet. Action's so weird. Would villain really do this with AsKs, AsQs, KsQs? I guess if he were smart, he'd know that this would look suspicious, but he'd also have to know that you were thinking a couple levels above your average opponent. How do you know that he's not a donkey or a LAG?

[AKProdigy 0]

Was 5 a standard raise?This looks or feels like an overpair with one spade or something. His range is fairly large here though and could easily include something like AsKs, AsQs, higher set etc.If you were planning on folding to a push though, I probably would have checked behind on the turn and called any non-spade river (within reason) and value bet if checked to me. That might not be the best way to extract value from your set though in most cases, so bleh lol.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Don't think I fold it on the flop.Also, if you put in pot size and stack sizes throughout the hand, I'd be more willing to read in depth, and respond in depth.

[CBass1724 1]

It almost sounds like he caught his set on the turn. Folding here is not the worst thing in the world. I'd call and hope for Yahtzee on the river. But you could be well behind and drawing to 1 out so you probably did the right thing.

[krup24 0]

Villians preflop raise to $5 can be basically any hand. You bet 1/2 the pot on the flop (it appears). I would play the flop harder and not be scared to get the money in there especially against the UTG villian who opened. I think you need to protect a lil better and better define potential holdings. As played I'm still 50/50.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Villain raises to 5 UTG.Hero calls with 33.5x6 = 30 in preflop.flop ($30)3 4 8 :spade:villain checks. Hero bets half pot on the flop. Villain calls.15 x 2 = 30 in on the flop. Pot = 60.Turn ($60)7 villain checks. Hero bets 3/4 pot on the turn. 45 x 2 = 90 in on the turn bet. Pot = 150Villain pushes 300 - 5 - 15 - 45 = 245 on top. Pot = 245 + 150 = 395.Pot is laying the hero 395 : 240 = 1.6 : 1 .I'd assume we have roughly the same chance to improve if we're behind as our opponent has to improve if he's behind.So are we ahead 1/(1.6 +1) = 38% of the time? Probably not. I think it's a good fold.

[mtdesmoines 3]

villain check, hero bet 45. villain pushes all in, hero tanks and folds.

$45 to all in? I can see folding this on the turn. Pushing harder on the flop is better for you.

[krup24 0]

Villain raises to 5 UTG.I'd assume we have roughly the same chance to improve if we're behind as our opponent has to improve if he's behind.So are we ahead 1/(1.6 +1) = 38% of the time? Probably not. I think it's a good fold.

I dunno I think we are ahead at least 50% of the time. If we bet the flop and turn harder this is an easy call.

[David_Nicoson 1]

I dunno I think we are ahead at least 50% of the time.

One advantage of that opinion is that you don't have to do any math to figure out what to do.

[krup24 0]

One advantage of that opinion is that you don't have to do any math to figure out what to do.

yep i like it that way

[sabes99 0]

this is a sick hand, but i think i would have to fold it here...it looks a lot like a flopped flush to me, or some sort of big drawing hand...but i think a flopped nut flush might play it that way a lot of the time, to c/c the flop and then make a big c/r to get some money in there

[darkrider88 0]

I can't see myself folding this. I think we are ahead at least 38% of the time because a CRAI on a draw heavy board is so often a semi-bluff (in this case overpair with flush draw, or straight/flush draw). It could even be a weird play with AA with no flush draw, as he could have waited for a safe turn to put money in the pot.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Are you high? lol first you didn't fold your set on the flop, you folded it on the turn. An openfarrell (does anyone else remember this? what a joke, lol) would be really bad on the flop. Second, I'm not sure if I fold the turn. A CRAI? Kind of an overbet. Action's so weird. Would villain really do this with AsKs, AsQs, KsQs? I guess if he were smart, he'd know that this would look suspicious, but he'd also have to know that you were thinking a couple levels above your average opponent. How do you know that he's not a donkey or a LAG?

I said, edit. I f-ed up the title. pay attention. what does any of this have to do with open farrelling?

Was 5 a standard raise?This looks or feels like an overpair with one spade or something. His range is fairly large here though and could easily include something like AsKs, AsQs, higher set etc.If you were planning on folding to a push though, I probably would have checked behind on the turn and called any non-spade river (within reason) and value bet if checked to me. That might not be the best way to extract value from your set though in most cases, so bleh lol.

No 5 is not standard, however, 5,6,7 bets are all pot building bets in this game. lots of players will use this with lots of small pockets, suited cards, suited connecting cards...I didnt expect a push. I put him on the As at first. mostly because if he flopped a set, one would think he would be raising my flop bet to find out where he is.which leads me to believe he hit a set of 7's or has a Flush already

It almost sounds like he caught his set on the turn. Folding here is not the worst thing in the world. I'd call and hope for Yahtzee on the river. But you could be well behind and drawing to 1 out so you probably did the right thing.

this is what i thought. If i'm behind, I'm probably waaay behind. He doesnt seem like the type of player to make such a bold move to steal 100ish dollars

Villians preflop raise to $5 can be basically any hand. You bet 1/2 the pot on the flop (it appears). I would play the flop harder and not be scared to get the money in there especially against the UTG villian who opened. I think you need to protect a lil better and better define potential holdings. As played I'm still 50/50.

I still dont have any clue where i'm at on the flop, if he's willing to invest on this flop, does he hold an over pair with a Spade? 1 big spade? If i'm behind already, how can i protect it? how much is enough on the flop?

Villain raises to 5 UTG.Hero calls with 33.5x6 = 30 in preflop.flop ($30)3 4 8 :spade:villain checks. Hero bets half pot on the flop. Villain calls.15 x 2 = 30 in on the flop. Pot = 60.Turn ($60)7 villain checks. Hero bets 3/4 pot on the turn. 45 x 2 = 90 in on the turn bet. Pot = 150Villain pushes 300 - 5 - 15 - 45 = 245 on top. Pot = 245 + 150 = 395.Pot is laying the hero 395 : 240 = 1.6 : 1 .I'd assume we have roughly the same chance to improve if we're behind as our opponent has to improve if he's behind.So are we ahead 1/(1.6 +1) = 38% of the time? Probably not. I think it's a good fold.

I thought long and hard about my chance to fill up if he flopped the flush. and obv i'm a dog, and not getting laid the right odds, which made the fold easier.

$45 to all in? I can see folding this on the turn. Pushing harder on the flop is better for you.

pushing harder on the flop how? betting 30 instead of 15? then what? betting 80 on the turn? I cant protect a hand that is already losing, and i really cant put him on 1 particular hand yet, so why am i betting the flop so hard?

this is a sick hand, but i think i would have to fold it here...it looks a lot like a flopped flush to me, or some sort of big drawing hand...but i think a flopped nut flush might play it that way a lot of the time, to c/c the flop and then make a big c/r to get some money in there

thats what i thought once he pushed all in. "siick" I thought he must have a set more often than the nut flush, but if he puts me on a set / 2 pair with the way i've been betting, then he obv doesnt want me to see a pair card come on board for cheap.my only real thought process that would lead me to believe he is ahead here

I can't see myself folding this. I think we are ahead at least 38% of the time because a CRAI on a draw heavy board is so often a semi-bluff (in this case overpair with flush draw, or straight/flush draw). It could even be a weird play with AA with no flush draw, as he could have waited for a safe turn to put money in the pot.

crai in a cash game against a complete unknown of this nature is almost never a bluff. the pot is small for crazy shovel. since he was UTG, i thought long and hard abouthim making a small bet pf with aces or kings. but, his flop play doesnt make sense. unless he has the As. but thats the only hand i can put him on that i beat. everything else I'm behind

[mtdesmoines 3]

pushing harder on the flop how? betting 30 instead of 15? then what? betting 80 on the turn? I cant protect a hand that is already losing, and i really cant put him on 1 particular hand yet, so why am i betting the flop so hard?

Meh. I'm not going to argue. You are in the hand for so little, it's easy to just dump on this turn.

[shinzilla 0]

Isn't openfarrelling just when you fold on the flop even when no one has bet in front of you? Anyway, I think folding is slightly better than calling now. But not by much.

[krup24 0]

I still dont have any clue where i'm at on the flop, if he's willing to invest on this flop, does he hold an over pair with a Spade? 1 big spade? If i'm behind already, how can i protect it? how much is enough on the flop?

IMO bettn $15 on the flop is too weak to tell us anything about his possible holdings. He can easily hold 99 or TT with or without a spade. He can have an overpair with the spade. He can have the naked As,Ks,Qs. I guess you found out he has something but the range is ginormous. I don't hesitate to pot or go for a C/R on the flop although I lead toward a pot on the flop and call a push.

[Royal_Tour 0]

results.I folded, said out loud. "this is sick".. he said u must have folded a set... and flipped over As,9s. and then a few tards at the table were like "i knew he had the nuts... blah blah"

[mtdesmoines 3]

results.I folded, said out loud. "this is sick".. he said u must have folded a set... and flipped over As,9s. and then a few tards at the table were like "i knew he had the nuts... blah blah"

River: 3. Bad fold.

[David_Nicoson 1]

What if the villain check-raises to 180 instead?

[antistuff 0]

why didnt you bet more on the flop? i'm going to over bet a little there. like $40 or $45 maybe. the way you played it the turn is a fold.

[Royal_Tour 0]

why didnt you bet more on the flop? i'm going to over bet a little there. like $40 or $45 maybe. the way you played it the turn is a fold.

mostly because its a 1/2 table with no reads yet on 70% of the players at the table.if i bet 40 or 45, what info am i gaining. like i said, being 1/2NL, As,x could be calling. could already be a flush, or a larger set, i could be building up a pot for which i'm already losing without any info

[antistuff 0]

mostly because its a 1/2 table with no reads yet on 70% of the players at the table.if i bet 40 or 45, what info am i gaining. like i said, being 1/2NL, As,x could be calling. could already be a flush, or a larger set, i could be building up a pot for which i'm already losing without any info

when i hit a set im not looking for info, im looking to play a huge pot and get the most value possible for my hand. people do silly things on monotone flops. they will push with just the ace of the suit, stuff like that. without a read that tells me otherwise, i am happy to get it all in on that lop.

[Jennings7 0]

Good fold.

[Royal_Tour 0]

when i hit a set im not looking for info, im looking to play a huge pot and get the most value possible for my hand. people do silly things on monotone flops. they will push with just the ace of the suit, stuff like that. without a read that tells me otherwise, i am happy to get it all in on that lop.

whats the point in playing post flop NL poker then?if this is your theory you should stick to the smash strat