cwik 0 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Villain is TAG, but we do not have a lot of history together. I bet the flop here a lot, but maybe not as much as I am supposed to. Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $2/$46 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $400UTG+1: $404.50CO: $667.60Button: $410.30SB: $470.20BB: $515.30Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with J J Hero raises to $14, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB raises to $58, Hero calls, CO folds.Flop: Q 6 T ($132, 2 players)BB checks, Hero checks.Turn: Q ($132, 2 players)BB bets $80, Hero calls.River: 5 ($292, 2 players)BB bets $180, Hero ??? Link to post Share on other sites
shinzilla 0 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I probably call the turn like you... river's close. His most likely holdings to me seem to be 10's or AK. I think he would've bet the flop with AA or KK, likewise with AQ. I'd call because our hand is often good here and even if we lose, we get some great information. Link to post Share on other sites
Zelphade 0 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I think your probably beat.. but i have been wrong before... Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 His flop check is uber-confusing. Whiffed AK now making a play at the pot?I probably call. I think back to a line from the movie "Enemy of the State" - he's either incredibly smart, or incredibly stupid... Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I could make a case for folding to the reraise preflop. I tend to believe people until they give me a reason not to. There's a pretty strong case for calling as well though. I could go either way on it. I guess it's where I think it's an easy call with QQ and an easy fold with 99 (and probably TT).I like the flop check. You only really beat AK. I doubt AA and KK check the flop too often, although it's certainly possible (more likely AA than KK though). The line fits AK or QQ best.Turn call is very standard, obv.I think I call the river and expect to see QQ, TT or AK. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I probably call the turn like you... river's close. His most likely holdings to me seem to be 10's or AK. I think he would've bet the flop with AA or KK, likewise with AQ. I'd call because our hand is often good here and even if we lose, we get some great information. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Once he checks, I'm betting this flop almost every time. I wanna know what he's got. The way the hand played out, YOU easily have QQ or TT (more likely) and so if he calls or folds, you know right there for price of one bet that's like 1/2 - 2/3 of the pot, exactly where you're at. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Once he checks, I'm betting this flop almost every time. I wanna know what he's got. The way the hand played out, YOU easily have QQ or TT (more likely) and so if he calls or folds, you know right there for price of one bet that's like 1/2 - 2/3 of the pot, exactly where you're at.Honestly ... what's the deal with people checking flops? I do this ... almost never, unless it's a total family pot or sumthing. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 This looks a lot more like AQ, QQ, 1010, KK, AA than it does like AK. He reraised you when you were UTG and he was BB so he isn't likely to be stealing from you, I'd probably call here because I'm a station, but I think it should be a fold. Link to post Share on other sites
shinzilla 0 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 This looks a lot more like AQ, QQ, 1010, KK, AA than it does like AK. He reraised you when you were UTG and he was BB so he isn't likely to be stealing from you, I'd probably call here because I'm a station, but I think it should be a fold.I'd think that AQ would bet out on the flop. QQ seems unlikely because of probability. I think most villains who hold KK or AA there would bet out as well. The thing is, it's pretty easy to put our hero on a hand given the action... hero's most likely hands are AcKc, JJ and 99 given the flop and turn action. If hero held KK and AA, he would've sprung his trap by at least the turn. QQ seems unlikely because of probability. 1010... maybe, but I think the underfull would try to get some more money in the pot at the turn. If villain's a good hand reader, he should be able to fire on the river with AK here. I think it's really close, you know. Like I said earlier, I'm pretty confident villain has 10's or AK here. I'm really curious to see how this hand turned out. Link to post Share on other sites
dgostate8 0 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I'm a donk, but I see the villan with AQ "soooted" here. He got sneaky on the flop, hit the hell outta his hand on the turn and bet just enough to keep you around, and since you called the turn, he figures he has the best hand and will get a call on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I bet my BR he has AK. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I bet my BR he has AK.I call Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I call You owe me $13.43. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 You owe me $13.43.you damn kids with AIM... I got screwed. Link to post Share on other sites
shinzilla 0 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I'm dying to see results. Results please? Please? Please? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I'm dying to see results. Results please? Please? Please?Do you think I'd bet my BR without already knowing the results? Link to post Share on other sites
shinzilla 0 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Do you think I'd bet my BR without already knowing the results?Um, yeah! lol Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 Um, yeah! lolZZZZIIIIINNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Lavitz 0 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 I think a lot of people in this thread are giving villian way too much credit. Also, I still like checking this flop behind because you don't want to get c/r here. Villian c/r all-in a LOT here and then we have to fold the best hand sometimes. AK pulls this line on JQx or Q10x boards a lot (check/pushing).As played, river is a call. Slowplaying AA/KK on that board is stupid and his betting line is a bit strange. If you take your line (passive for pot control) then you have to be prepared to call this river. Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted July 26, 2007 Author Share Posted July 26, 2007 villain had AK. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 cwik introduced me to this hand as one where he felt like this was probably the standard line, but he was uncomfortable taking it. Initially, I questioned the river call also. It seems like we're beat frequently...but throwing the ranges into Stove, this is a very standard call on the river. There are a lot of AK combos in addition to the ones where we're beat. We're getting pot odds to call if we think we're good 27% of the time or more, so I came to the conclusion that this is a definite call. Link to post Share on other sites
Lavitz 0 Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 cwik introduced me to this hand as one where he felt like this was probably the standard line, but he was uncomfortable taking it. Initially, I questioned the river call also. It seems like we're beat frequently...but throwing the ranges into Stove, this is a very standard call on the river. There are a lot of AK combos in addition to the ones where we're beat. We're getting pot odds to call if we think we're good 27% of the time or more, so I came to the conclusion that this is a definite call.I'd say we're good a little over half the time here but seeing as we only have to be good 1/4 of the time this is a certain call. Link to post Share on other sites
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