Flopped Set Very Early

[RDog 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG+1 (t1480)MP1 (t2340)MP2 (t740)MP3 (t2660)CO (t3250)Button (t2565)SB (t2820)BB (t7890)Hero (t3000)Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q. Hero raises to t60, UTG+1 calls t60, 1 fold, MP2 calls t60, MP3 calls t60, 1 fold, Button calls t60, 2 folds.Flop: (t330) 4, Q, K(5 players)Hero bets t200, UTG+1 calls t200, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t200, Button folds.Turn: (t930) T(3 players)Hero bets t780, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls t780.River: (t2490) 8(2 players)Hero ????This is the first 5 hands or so of a $55 tourney. Know absolutely nothing about villain. And yes, looking at it, I realize I bet too little on flop.

[YBravo 0]

You have to bet here, especially because you don't have a read. He could be calling you down w/ a wide range of hands. I'd say he probably has about KJ or KT, maybe KQ. I'd bet about 1k.

[canicount 0]

Your losing value about 100% of the time if you check. You have no reason to think your behind, nor any reason to believe that he will bet if you check. I bet about 1300, Although you could make a case for pushing.

[sabes99 0]

i would bet about 1200, that's enough that it tells villain that he can't bluff you, and might get you paid off more often than just straight shoving

[RDog 0]

You have to bet here, especially because you don't have a read. He could be calling you down w/ a wide range of hands. I'd say he probably has about KJ or KT, maybe KQ. I'd bet about 1k.

Okay, this was my dilemma, if I bet 1k, I have to call a push. How often am I beating a hand that pushes? If I check/call river, am I extracting more value by looking a bit weaker than I am, not getting my whole stack in and still letting him bluff or bet hands I have beat? I mean, a logical hand for me to have here is AK and you have to think that KQ is betting this river if checked to.I mean, I agree I have to bet but I'm just trying to see if there might be a different way to play this one.

[tskillz187 0]

I shove river.Edit: I think he's usually folding to a bet just because there isn't much for him to have, he might make a small bluff with a check and obv bet 2 pr or sets, I think if he is calling a bet though that it doesn't matter the size that's why I'm shoving.

[gobears 0]

I think that you lose value by checking as villain might have a worse hand that is happy to check behind. There will be times when he has AJ or even J9 and you lose your stack but I think that KQ/KJ/K10/AQ/AK are more likely hands.Maybe I'm jaded in these 55+ MTTs, but the hands that an unknown player calls down with boggles the mind sometimes. The fact that villain is unknown makes it a better bet that value betting is the right play.

[RDog 0]

Yeah, I was 80% sure he had KQ here so I shoved the river. He had AJ. Probably just me being a littled jaded to my coolering lately that makes me think I can maximize value to a hand like KQ without losing almost my entire stack to someone that has me beat.

[tskillz187 0]

AJ is a tough float, but that board is so unscary that you have to shove.

[Zelphade 0]

wow that sucks... maybe a bigge bigger bet on the flop gets him to fold, but then again u just cant get some people to fold

[The Phoenix 0]

I definitely shove. I think you played it perfectly except for the smallish flop bet that you already pointed out. He probably floats the flop anyway if he is a bad player. I shove there and kill myself/break something if he turns over the straight. Sick cooler but you double up there a very high percentage of the time.

[Stuples 0]

he think he has an inside straight draw with an over. I dont think there is anything wrong with the way you played it. I dont think there is a need for a bigger bet on the flop since its only straight draws you need to be worried about.

[StupidKid 0]

I agree with Stuples, he made a call with a gutshot and hit on the turn, you're losing to J9, AJ and KK here and obv the latter is unlikely and so are the other two really. KQ/Q10/AK/K10/poss 1010 are much more likely to show up here than AJ/J9 imoYou couldn't have played this that differently without a flop overbet, i think villain is calling pot sized bet on the flop but its pretty much fine.On the river I bet like 1.3K and insta-call a shove, or just shove.

[WhatArunAA 0]

I make a smalll bet on the river because I feel like he has J-10 here alot.. he might just pay off a tiny bet.. I feel like if he had 2 pair you would have been all in on the turn.. i would try to extract value with a tiny bet and snap call a shove.