Townsend On The Biggest Downswing Of His Life.......

[ThreeBet 0]

Gmansahde, you're incredibly ignorant.

QFT .... he then backs up his ignorance with three hands that do nothing to support his claims ... ever played NL Heads Up?

[cubsfan44 0]

I read an article somewhere that stated that with the small amount of time Townsend has been playing it is possible he has just been on a huge heater. So maybe he just coming back to reality now.

[gmanshade 0]

Gmansahde, you're incredibly ignorant.

lolif you can name one player who has played at these stakes and not gone bust i will give u a cookiebtw, if anyone wants to bet on stars on whether townsend goes bust before the end of 2008 lets do itonly thing is--dont cry when u lose!

[gmanshade 0]

Prahlad Friedman went busto when many said he never would. Townsend can definitely go busto too. I understand he probably has better bankroll management but it is a game that requires one to run good when playing nosebleed stakes like that or things can go very badly very fast.

+1good to see there are still some smart people in generalno one seems to understand: IF YOU ARE SITTING WITH $1MILLION IN FRONT OF YOU IN A CASH GAME, UNLESS YOU HAVE 200-300MILLION$ YOU ARE PRACTICING BAD BANKROLL MANAGEMENT.anyone that thinks townsend has that much is crazy -----------> anyone saying he won't go bust b/c he has better bankroll management skills is crazy. it is obvious that he is playing over his head, he is not worth half a billion dollars. yes, he is good, but he has an ego. he is recognized from tv, people rail him on the internet, and he has a following for his blog. it is hard to drop down in stakes in that position, and the sad fact is that he will almost certainly go bust. if i was his father i would take the 3-7 million he has left away from him right now, invest 95% in gold, and give him back a couple hundred thousand and tell him to rebuild a roll. what will actually happen is that money will be gone. when it happens to prahlad, to gus hansen, to matusow, to all these players (scotty nguyen said he has gone bust over 100 times) how can u say it won't happen to him? yes, he will have a backer and will be able to rebuild to some extent, but it will be very brutal.note for the kids out there: players like lederer, hellmuth, and billy baxter are the smart ones-------> you want to have a stable source of income that you can 100% count on, and then you can gamble. if you want to gamble for a living, you have to grind it out and be very careful. otherwise you just go busto. i feel bad for towsend because he genuinely seems like a good guydaniel n----> if you send me a pm i will reply with my email addresss. i would like to work as a financial advisor to brian and any other player that needs it, i only want 4k per month for this service. otherwise he will be broke.

[Money022 0]

Playing poker and bankroll management are two completely different animals, yet one is completely dependent on the other. A person can run bad for months on end and not bust if they exercise proper bankroll management. You have no clue what you're talking about gmanshade. You picked up a few bad habits by reading a handful of blog entries and all the sudden you're predicting his future. Not one of us here knows the future of another player. We can make predictions until we're blue in the face but the only person who controls Townsend's fate is himself. If he's smart enough he'll be just fine.

[HubDub04 0]

no one seems to understand: IF YOU ARE SITTING WITH $1MILLION IN FRONT OF YOU IN A CASH GAME, UNLESS YOU HAVE 200-300MILLION$ YOU ARE PRACTICING BAD BANKROLL MANAGEMENT.

That is a very good point.

[Zach6668 513]

That is a very good point.

r u kidding?You guys are saying, even if the max buyin or whatever is $1M, he should be playing with 200 to 300 buyins?******************gmanshade,If you had any shred of credibility, I'd consider the bet with you, but the fact of the matter is that none of us will ever know how much money he has, or exactly what he considers his poker bankroll.Frankly, speculating about other people's financial matters is rather comical in and of itself.

[HubDub04 0]

r u kidding?You guys are saying, even if the max buyin or whatever is $1M, he should be playing with 200 to 300 buyins?

No, what I am saying is........That everyone keeps saying that BT has these uncanny bankroll management skills, and that might or might not be true, but if good BR mgmt. means having a roll big enough to handle the swings of nosebleed stakes poker limits, then a roll of say, 10 million dollars, is a minuscule roll if he's playing for hundreds of thousands of dollars and apparently sometimes millions everyday.If he goes through a bad run of cards for even a week, and continues to try to get even by extending his roll to compensate for losses, than he can easily go through a 10 million dollarish bankroll VERY quickly, and if he's playing at these limits with a bankroll like what people have said he has, then he is practicing very bad BR mgmt.

[Zach6668 513]

No, what I am saying is........That everyone keeps saying that BT hase these uncanny bankroll management skills, and that might or might not be true, but if good BR mgmt. means having a roll big enough to handle the swings of nosebleed stakes poker limits, then a roll of say, 10 million dollars, is a minuscule roll if he's playing for hundreds of thousands of dollars and apparently sometimes millions everyday.

Yeah, I suppose I misinterpreted. I won't speculate on the size of his BR simply due to what I said in my previous post; there's literally no way for any of us to ever know for sure. Speculating would be an exercise in futility.

[HubDub04 0]

Yeah, I suppose I misinterpreted. I won't speculate on the size of his BR simply due to what I said in my previous post; there's literally no way for any of us to ever know for sure. Speculating would be an exercise in futility.

Yea. This is all speculation obv.

[grocery_mony 8]

Variance is a *****. But losing 3 mill in a couple of weeks is insane. The guy will probally drop down before his bankroll is seriously threatened. Since the introduction of internet nosebleed stakes has there been a player who has been able to be a winner for more than a year? Even in live play how many long term big winners has there been? Maybe Chip Reese and Phil Ivey. Guys like Benyamine, Greenstein, DN, even Doyle have eventually gone poker broke at those stakes.

[Veener Schnitz 0]

It's amazing how many people care about whether he goes bust or not. It's not like we haven't seen this before. Internet star goes crazy for a while, wins a lot of money and plummets. Soon enough there will be another all star destroying the high stakes games for you all to be over and cup their balls in your hands.

[Asimo 1]

I think you also need to keep in mind that the 1k/2k is not his normal game and that he would not be playing with 1 million in front of him every time he plays poker.But a 7-10 million bankroll would be more then sufficient for an online $200-$400 or $300-$600 games IMO, and these are his normal "day-to-day" limits.Edit: Also, with that much money, it's much easier to have the money work for you outside of poker.

[ol'number7 0]

no one seems to understand: IF YOU ARE SITTING WITH $1MILLION IN FRONT OF YOU IN A CASH GAME, UNLESS YOU HAVE 200-300MILLION$ YOU ARE PRACTICING BAD BANKROLL MANAGEMENT.daniel n----> if you send me a pm i will reply with my email addresss. i would like to work as a financial advisor to brian and any other player that needs it, i only want 4k per month for this service. otherwise he will be broke.O.M.G.Just when I think I've seen it all...So if I have $1000 on the table, I'd better have $300000 behind it as a poker B/R?LOL.

[mase_gotsem 0]

It's amazing how many people care about whether he goes bust or not. It's not like we haven't seen this before. Internet star goes crazy for a while, wins a lot of money and plummets. Soon enough there will be another all star destroying the high stakes games for you all to be over and cup their balls in your hands.

+1 this pretty much hit the nail on the head lol brian and every high stake player will hit there cold streak we just have to see how they take it if they press there luck and go broke or if they drop down and rebuild

[silkyjonson 1]

True. But I've read that his bankroll is around 10 million. Now I'm sure that he has invested a bunch in real estate and the stock market, but if he did any of those two things, then he probably has lesser of a bankroll for poker around 5-6 million. So that means he possibly dumped 50% of his roll recently. He also mentions that his FTP acct. was tapped out.I really hope he doesn't turn into a TJ Cloutier or Matusow type that thinks he has to bet on sports or play outside of his roll to compensate for losses.

I dont see this hapening to him ever, TJ and Matusow are just wired a different way. This guy is very logical and seems to be critical of his own actions/play which usually means you won't allow yourself to slip into pure degen.

[hellohello12 0]

no one seems to understand: IF YOU ARE SITTING WITH $1MILLION IN FRONT OF YOU IN A CASH GAME, UNLESS YOU HAVE 200-300MILLION$ YOU ARE PRACTICING BAD BANKROLL MANAGEMENT.

Honestly I agree with some of what you say, and I haven't been here long enough to know your reputation as being a guy with no credibility. But you have to take into consideration that though he may sit with 1million at the table, that is definitely not the buy-in. Also, he played 1k/2k for about a week, and that was during the WSOP. Now that he is back home, he most assuredly will be playing his typical 300/600 games. At these stakes, the buy in is not 1 million that you say, but 60,000. So if he does have a bankroll of 10 million. That is about 165 buy ins. Yes it is not 200 or 300 buy ins, so it is technically not good bankroll management. But 165 buy ins is still a lot. I play primarily NL100. I don't have 16,500 dollars in my bankroll, but i still think I am properly rolled for it. I still agree that he may go bust if he continues to play 1K/2K, especially when he has to play 1/2 of anything that is not NLHE. but to say he has horrible bankroll management is not quite true, not the ideal bankroll according to some books, but no where near as bad as you say.

[silkyjonson 1]

+1good to see there are still some smart people in generalno one seems to understand: IF YOU ARE SITTING WITH $1MILLION IN FRONT OF YOU IN A CASH GAME, UNLESS YOU HAVE 200-300MILLION$ YOU ARE PRACTICING BAD BANKROLL MANAGEMENT.anyone that thinks townsend has that much is crazy -----------> anyone saying he won't go bust b/c he has better bankroll management skills is crazy. it is obvious that he is playing over his head, he is not worth half a billion dollars. yes, he is good, but he has an ego. he is recognized from tv, people rail him on the internet, and he has a following for his blog. it is hard to drop down in stakes in that position, and the sad fact is that he will almost certainly go bust. if i was his father i would take the 3-7 million he has left away from him right now, invest 95% in gold, and give him back a couple hundred thousand and tell him to rebuild a roll. what will actually happen is that money will be gone. when it happens to prahlad, to gus hansen, to matusow, to all these players (scotty nguyen said he has gone bust over 100 times) how can u say it won't happen to him? yes, he will have a backer and will be able to rebuild to some extent, but it will be very brutal.note for the kids out there: players like lederer, hellmuth, and billy baxter are the smart ones-------> you want to have a stable source of income that you can 100% count on, and then you can gamble. if you want to gamble for a living, you have to grind it out and be very careful. otherwise you just go busto. i feel bad for towsend because he genuinely seems like a good guydaniel n----> if you send me a pm i will reply with my email addresss. i would like to work as a financial advisor to brian and any other player that needs it, i only want 4k per month for this service. otherwise he will be broke.

LOL at "look at me I called it, Gmanshade is the smartest man in the world" from your other postHansen and Matusow are degens, Prahlad thought he was god and never adjusted to players around him which spells your demise, and Nguyen likes the sauce. Brian has shown no qualities that would suggest that he has bad bankroll management but has shown the opposite a very disciplined approach to BR management and to poker overall.And the bolded text leaves me speechless, you really are the most retarted poster overall.

[joethepro 0]

isn't 30 buy ins correct bankroll management for normal people? for brian, 40 buy ins probably would be more safe.brian usually plays 300/600 NL? so max buy in is 60,000. 30 buy ins 1.8 million? 40 buy ins 2.4 million.sure, he probably didn't have the BR for the big game, so he was gambling, taking a shot and having a little fun. he ended up, from what i've heard, up over 300k even with the big loss.he did however, lose big at the very end, so now he's back to playing his 300/600, which he is surely BR'd for.i'm not saying he won't go bust, but to say he will for sure go bust is a bet anyone should take against you if they actually trusted you. The guy probably has like 120 buy ins at the stakes he's playing at. but you were saying he need 200-300 buy ins to be safe right?

+1good to see there are still some smart people in generalno one seems to understand: IF YOU ARE SITTING WITH $1MILLION IN FRONT OF YOU IN A CASH GAME, UNLESS YOU HAVE 200-300MILLION$ YOU ARE PRACTICING BAD BANKROLL MANAGEMENT.anyone that thinks townsend has that much is crazy -----------> anyone saying he won't go bust b/c he has better bankroll management skills is crazy. it is obvious that he is playing over his head, he is not worth half a billion dollars. yes, he is good, but he has an ego. he is recognized from tv, people rail him on the internet, and he has a following for his blog. it is hard to drop down in stakes in that position, and the sad fact is that he will almost certainly go bust. if i was his father i would take the 3-7 million he has left away from him right now, invest 95% in gold, and give him back a couple hundred thousand and tell him to rebuild a roll. what will actually happen is that money will be gone. when it happens to prahlad, to gus hansen, to matusow, to all these players (scotty nguyen said he has gone bust over 100 times) how can u say it won't happen to him? yes, he will have a backer and will be able to rebuild to some extent, but it will be very brutal.note for the kids out there: players like lederer, hellmuth, and billy baxter are the smart ones-------> you want to have a stable source of income that you can 100% count on, and then you can gamble. if you want to gamble for a living, you have to grind it out and be very careful. otherwise you just go busto. i feel bad for towsend because he genuinely seems like a good guydaniel n----> if you send me a pm i will reply with my email addresss. i would like to work as a financial advisor to brian and any other player that needs it, i only want 4k per month for this service. otherwise he will be broke.

[TB17 0]

Nobody would suggest that 200 buyins is the minimum for a NL cash game. Even cutting that in half is pushing it

[joethepro 0]

bankroll management article on P5 suggests 45 buy ins for a pro. maybe a bit more for brian cuz he plays aggresively and heads up also.http://www.pocketfives.com/5C57520F-8A89-4...D240CB3E59.aspx

[ThreeBet 0]

Nobody would suggest that 200 buyins is the minimum for a NL cash game. Even cutting that in half is pushing it

Wasn't someone on here typing his interview in Bluff just last week? If memory serves, he stated that he always made sure he had 20 buy ins (only one 0 beside that 2) before moving up. 300 Buyins? He has been praised for his BR Management and he subscribed to a 20 buy-in theory that worked wonders for him. He's obviously a very smart guy and very level-headed.If, after this huge loss, he still made 300K then that alone is ANOTHER 5 buy-ins in his regular game. This is all a BUNK and Gman is a BUNKMEISTER!

[SilentButDeadly3 0]

lolif you can name one player who has played at these stakes and not gone bust i will give u a cookie

I've got two. Reese and Greenstein. I don't know that 100% as does no one here besides Big Game players and the actual players unless they've admitted it. But I'm pretty sure Greenstein said he hasn't gone bust since he joined the Big Game on The Circuit. And anyone who donates his tourney winnings to charity obv has a lot of money. And Reese has supposedly won more money than anyone else in the history of poker so it's doubtful he's gone bust at Big Game stakes.Gmanshade, you're retarded if you think sbrugby's going bust. And some of those hands u posted are ridiculously standard even for a small stakes player like me.Townsend has As9s, Ivey has A4. Flop comes Ax, 4s, Xs. Which means Townsend flopped top pair and the nut flush draw and Ivey flopped 2 pair. The money's going in after that flop and Townsend's actually a slight favorite after the flop w/ a chance to tie.Gman, you dont know what you're talking about. Sry.

[king1305 0]

Gman, you dont know what you're talking about. Sry.

Does he ever?

[gmanshade 0]

look...this is what i'm saying.towsend lost a 1.8 million dollar pot against billy baxter. that means he has 900,000 in the pot (with chips behind that he asked the manager to rack up). I don't care what bankroll standard you are using, if you want to take a very, very, very generous estimate and guess that he has a net worth of 15 million dollars (and this is definitely a high estimate) it is stupid bankroll management to sit with an excess of 1 million on the table. do you guys get it????? i have a net worth of roughly 150k, and the equivalent would be for me to sit at a table with 10k+ in front of me. i don't care what book you want to quote from/cite, if you play this way you will go broke. all that has to happen is you get stacked four times and your net worth is knocked in half. brian has admitted that he is almost busto on full tilt, it is just unreal. if you guys don't want to open your eyes and realize what is happening that is your problem. i don't care one way or another. my assessment of things is very accurate, and i will accept bets up to $200 that towsend will go bust--that is, need to be backed because he does not have the cash to fund himself--before the end of 2008. this is not a sure bet, but i'm willing to do it because i am at least 80% sure this will happen. and brian if you are reading this, please take 95% of your money right now and invest it in a bond or gold (something stable) because it will all be gone soon.i really am lmao at you idiots on this forum. i perform miracle after miracle and you still doubt me, it is wonder that you can be so blind.