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[Turbo Dog 1]

LESSON:Do not give the dealer your cards until the dealer has given you the pot. Wordds to live by...in poker and in purchasing narcotics!

no love for this?? NH

[brandonreal 0]

Shaftament.

[13CARDS 0]

no love for this?? NH

Finally.... Thank you, sir!

[DCJ001 0]

The ruling varies by region. Vegas the OP wins the pot. Cali the OP wins the pot. Atlantic City there is a NJ gaming rule that one player must showdown a hand and so yes it would be a chop. For a home game that is an awful ruling the action was crystal clear as to who the winner was. Roberts rules (rule set that is the basis for many major card room rule books) has a clause: the floormen may make any decision that is in the best interest of the game. Clearly not awarding the pot to the OP is not in the "best interest of the game"

Good info. Thanks.

[KUPoker5 0]

The pot clearly was yours given that the dude mucked, BUT...........given that you originally limped with the aces, and then limped again after the pre flop raise and then checked them on both the flop (you really were scared of trip tens? yikes) and on the turn and then called on the river (while mortified that you were making a bad call), I really think you should be forced to play the next six tournements you participate in with a skirt and a tampon.

OP you're weak.You're weak for playing aces like that, and you're weak for not making a fuss about it and just giving up half a pot that was rightfully yours.

I love you guys too. Listen, I know I played the aces wrong from the get-go. I said that in the OP. I really don't care about my actual playing of the hand, my question revolved around the showdown. I'm sure even you two have ****ed up with pocket A's :icon_biggrin. But thanks everyone for the info!

[WowThats 0]

Home Games = Always Establish the rules upfront, make sure everyone understands the rules and how they will be interrupted.Note: Playing online or in casinos is tough enough, playing in home games where the semen pool of the genetically challenged is playing is another topic.

[jethrodull 0]

http://www.readybetgo.com/poker/rules/rule...poker-219.html)Rule #9. You must declare that you are playing the board before you throw your cards away. Otherwise, you relinquish all claim to the pot.As soon as he mucks he has no claim to the pot. You are the last player in. You can claim without showing

two things from this discussion - 1) from above, if it's me that is called and I want to muck, but see his hand without showing mine, I should say "playin the board" which would force opponent to show2) if I am calling and bettor folds, and I don't want to show, I just need to hold my cards until chips are pushed to me. if they insist I show..I show..

[David_Nicoson 1]

two things from this discussion - 1) from above, if it's me that is called and I want to muck, but see his hand without showing mine, I should say "playin the board" which would force opponent to show

There are lots of boards where this isn't possible, e.g. 2 4 J Q K . Miscalling your hand at showdown in unethical, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone asked to see the hand.

2) if I am calling and bettor folds, and I don't want to show, I just need to hold my cards until chips are pushed to me. if they insist I show..I show..

This is good advice, imho.

[David_Nicoson 1]

The ruling varies by region. Vegas the OP wins the pot. Cali the OP wins the pot. Atlantic City there is a NJ gaming rule that one player must showdown a hand and so yes it would be a chop.

Yet another reason to hate Atlantic City.

[David_Nicoson 1]

A dealer at the Wynn told me that the Nevada gaming rules don't allow a player to declare "play the board" and claim a part of the pot without showing a hand. Can anybody confirm that?

[13CARDS 0]

A dealer at the Wynn told me that the Nevada gaming rules don't allow a player to declare "play the board" and claim a part of the pot without showing a hand. Can anybody confirm that?

I can confirm that any place that I know of (Canada, Nevada, NY, DR, Bahamas, etc..) any player needs two cards to win.If only one player has live cards that player wins. It really is that simple.

[David_Nicoson 1]

I can confirm that any place that I know of (Canada, Nevada, NY, DR, Bahamas, etc..) any player needs two cards to win.If only one player has live cards that player wins. It really is that simple.

If that answers my question, I missed it.Suppose 2 players in the hand. It goes check, check on the river. One declares, "I'm playing the board." The other says, "Me, too". In this situation, do the players need to reveal their hands by law in Nevada to receive half the pot?

[sabes99 0]

Suppose 2 players in the hand. It goes check, check on the river. One declares, "I'm playing the board." The other says, "Me, too". In this situation, do the players need to reveal their hands by law in Nevada to receive half the pot?

i don't think it's only in nevada, any place i've ever heard of you need to table your hand to receive any portion of the pot

[David_Nicoson 1]

i don't think it's only in nevada, any place i've ever heard of you need to table your hand to receive any portion of the pot

Robert's Rules imply that you don't, and a lot of card rooms use them or a derivative.

9. You must declare that you are playing the board before you throw your cards away. Otherwise, you relinquish all claim to the pot.

[Hockey Guy 4]

If that answers my question, I missed it.Suppose 2 players in the hand. It goes check, check on the river. One declares, "I'm playing the board." The other says, "Me, too". In this situation, do the players need to reveal their hands by law in Nevada to receive half the pot?

In any Casino i've ever been in you have to table a hand so the eye in the sky can see it to claim any part of a pot. This includes Omaha and you have to table all 4 cards even though you only use 2 of them. Hope this answers your question.

[Foulky 0]

I have two questions to ask on this topic #1 does that fact that this is a MTT and not a cash game effect the ruling at all_ Because from what I know you have to show a winning hand in a tourney to win a pot because this prevents against collusion forms like chip dumping. As you all know in a tourney a pot against two players affects all the players at the table as well as in the entire tourney. In cash games thats not the case, the other players at the table are not negatively effected by chip dumping. In a tourney like the OP was playing I believe the ruling would be a split pot, but maybe not.·2 I don´t remember but I believe in Season Two of High Stakes Poker Phil Laak played a pot against Minh LY, and Minh bluffed the river and Phil called, and Minh mucked his had, and as the dealer was pushing him the pot Phil also mucked his hand without showing. Daniel then interjected that Phil had to show a winning hand, so Phil reached for his cards and turned his hand over. And no one disagreed with what Daniel said. That was a cash game in Vegas, so I would expect that Daniel would know the rule... but maybe not, idk just wondering. Opinions would be appreciated.

[WowThats 0]

1) from above, if it's me that is called and I want to muck, but see his hand without showing mine, I should say "playing the board" which would force opponent to show

I wouldn't recommend doing this, to many people in homes do not understand that the cards play, not what you call plays. This may lead to more confusion when playing with people who do not understand the rules or played by obscure rules when they were growing up.When I play in homes games I always ask.1. Are there any rules you play by that I need to know about?2. Are you playing by Vegas rules?

[aadams_22 3]

THE SHOWDOWN1. To win any part of a pot, a player must show all of his cards faceup on the table, whether they were used in the final hand played or not.http://www.readybetgo.com/poker/rules/gene...-rules-217.html

Once the river card was dealt, there was a bet, and a call, there was a showdown.

Because neither player "showed down," the pot was chopped.

Your reasoning is flawed because only two players were in the hand at showdown (after a bet and call after the river card was dealt). Making an excuse for everyone dealt in the hand is illogical.The pot was chopped because two players went to showdown and no one showed their hole cards.If few people in this thread agree with me, few people in this thread have live play experience. There are disagreements in the 2+2 thread, but people with live play experience have posted their experience that both cards must be shown to take the whole pot.

Were you drunk when you posted this garbage or are you really this clueless?The fact of the matter is that you and the old guy are wrong wrong wrong.It was KUPoker's pot. Under no circumstances should it have been split.

[Hockey Guy 4]

Were you drunk when you posted this garbage or are you really this clueless?The fact of the matter is that you and the old guy are wrong wrong wrong.It was KUPoker's pot. Under no circumstances should it have been split.

actually on page 3 he sees the light and accepts he was wrong

[juggalo41729 0]

I'm pretty sure in a hold'em tournament you have to show two cards to win any part of the pot at showdown.

[Hockey Guy 4]

I'm pretty sure in a hold'em tournament you have to show two cards to win any part of the pot at showdown.

the other guy mucked therefore there is no showdown. he has relinquished his right to any part of the pot

[psujohn 0]

Were you drunk when you posted this garbage or are you really this clueless?

Dane got into an argument about the Deal or No Deal thing where he was proven wrong several times and yet held to his opinion. Popular opinion was divided as to whether he was being sarcastic or really believed what he was saying.And FWIW I don't believe that A.C. has the rule that was described. I don't know that for a fact however. I will ask a floor person next time I'm there. I've never heard of a casino where the last guy with cards was not awarded the pot. The "eye in the sky" argument makes no sense since the cameras can clearly see who was the last one with cards.Odd story that was almost relevant - playing 1/2 at Venetian had a 6 or 7 way limped pot. Flop checks around, Turn checks around. River check, fold, fold someone jokes about no one wanting the pot. Dealer jokes about "lets leave the chips out there for the next hand" everyone agrees except for one guy who finally decides to bet his raggedy two pair. I'm just curious as to whether they'd actually allow the chips to stay in the middle if the last two standing mucked simultaneously.

[brvheart 1,752]

I was playing a home game the other night with people who have been playing poker for 3-4 years now, so we all should know the general rules of the game...or so I thought. I was definitely confused at this ruling, but maybe I'm just an idiot.I'll start out with useless information just to set the situation up. We were playing a 6 handed table in the middle stages of a 27-person tournament. I'm on the button, and everyone limps around to me. I look down at AA and limp like an idiot (but that's not the point here). The BB raises to 4x the BB, and it folds around to me, and I call...SB folds. The flop comes TT3 rainbow, and he bets out and I call being weary that he might have hit trips. Turn is a blank, and we both check (now I'm not sure what he's doing). River is another blank, no flush draws or straight draws on the board, but he bets half his stack. I think about it for a bit since the checking on the turn showed some weakness in his hand (maybe he has a 3 or low pocket pair). I finally say "This may be a very stupid call, but I'm gonna make it. I call." At that point he instamucks his hand, pretty much letting me know he was completely bluffing at it and was embarrased to show whatever junk he was holding. At that point I assume the pot is mine and throw my cards in face down while reaching for all the chips. An old guy at the table stops me dead. "Son, you mucked your hand too. Neither one of you wins the hand. It's a split pot." I couldn't tell what other people though about it, but of course the guy who mucked first agreed with the old guy. It was still early in the game, and I didn't want to be a whiny ***** at the table, so I let it go since I got my chips back.I can't seem to think that's a good ruling, but then again that's the first time someone's ever mucked at a showdown. According the tournament rules, do you have to table the winning hand at showdown or can you muck after the hand is what I considered dead? With my thinking, once he threw in his cards, the pot was mine.

Are there any openings in this home game? Because by the sound of it... a 6 hour drive would be well worth it.

[DCJ001 0]

actually on page 3 he sees the light and accepts he was wrong

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...t&p=2023636

[juggalo41729 0]

the other guy mucked therefore there is no showdown. he has relinquished his right to any part of the pot

and if you muck you relinquish your right to the pot