rogerwilco 0 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 $10 STTCO obviously has a hand (my guess was AT, KT or so), but I took the chance and represented the flush on the turn. After he calls - what about the desperation bluff on the river? Worth it, or give up and continue with a still decent stack? And preflop?Poker StarsNo Limit Holdem TournamentBlinds: t10/t209 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: t1360UTG+1: t1450MP1: t2950MP2: t1580MP3: t1600CO: t1580Hero: t1350SB: t180BB: t1450Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with Q A UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t20 (pot was t30), 2 folds, MP3 calls t20 (pot was t50), CO calls t20 (pot was t70), Hero raises to t100, SB folds, BB calls t80 (pot was t190), UTG+1 calls t80 (pot was t270), MP3 calls t80 (pot was t350), CO calls t80 (pot was t430).Flop: 2 T 8 (t510, 5 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets t80, Hero calls t80 (pot was t590), 2 folds, MP3 calls t80 (pot was t670).Turn: 6 (t750, 3 players)MP3 checks, CO bets t100, Hero raises to t400, MP3 folds, CO calls t300 (pot was t1250).River: 7 (t1550, 2 players)CO bets t200, Hero raises all-in t770 Link to post Share on other sites
YBravo 0 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 A lot of STT players would say fold pre-flop at this point in the tourney where the pots are guaranteed to be insignificant unless someone hits a monster. You just don't crush the board w/ AQ very often. You have to give up post flop in a 5 way pot, despite the fact you're getting apparently great odds. They really aren't that good considering the situation. The all-in on the river does look like a monster, but villain has almost unpassable odds to call with a pretty wide range. You will get looked up way too often in that spot. Just fold and look for a spot to double. Link to post Share on other sites
chuckpalms 0 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I really don't like it. At these levels it's gonna be tough to get someone to fold TPTK, and while you think you're representing a monster, they don't care what you're representing, they care about what cards they're holding. I wouldn't recommend folding the AQ pf, but i wouldn't raise it - just limp behind, see a cheap flop, and get out if you don't flop top pair. no need to risk all these chips here this early when more +EV situations will arise at the later stages.-chuck Link to post Share on other sites
cubbybri 0 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 A bluff is going to be called in more often than the odds give you i thimk.I think you get away from this pretty easy on the flop if you decide to play preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
HijackedAffairs 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Spewing. Fold the flop. Why get involved at all? There is so little chance that this bluff works ever. As for the river, just fold because after getting raised into he is leading out again. Link to post Share on other sites
JesterSB 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 If you were dead set on winning this pot the time to do it was raising more PF or re-raising big on the flop. I don't think it's a good idea either way, but those were your only chances I think. Villian is calling this on the river no matter what. Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I play it differently on every street. I really pump it here preflop. Make it at least 150. You have a bunch of limpers, so you need to hammer it to narrow the field. The raise you made juices the pot leading to a large multi-way pot. If you had some draw potential, that might be okay, but you're unsuited and semi-connected, so raise to try to get it heads up.As played, I let it go on the flop. You are representing the draw here, but in a 5-handed pot, odds are someone else actually has the draw you're representing. Everything after the flop is just spewing. The draws finish, and you get it all in with nothing.Oh, and why are you putting him on TPTK? That weak flop and turn leads don't look to me like someone betting top pair on a draw-heavy board. Link to post Share on other sites
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