Rockets Vs Bb, Facing A Large Bet On The River

[gfdsa146 0]

PokerStars Game #10961166812: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/07/15 - 22:00:36 (ET)Table 'Angetenar V' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: sarriagada ($25.90 in chips) Seat 2: fwhite5279 ($18.25 in chips) Seat 3: bru99 ($26.75 in chips) Seat 5: jupiterpig ($25 in chips) Seat 6: Molasseshead ($25 in chips) Seat 8: gfdsa146 ($22.10 in chips) Seat 9: SassyJazzyMe ($22.75 in chips) bru99: posts small blind $0.10jupiterpig: posts big blind $0.25Augea: sits out *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to gfdsa146 [Ah As]Molasseshead: folds gfdsa146: calls $0.25SassyJazzyMe: folds sarriagada: folds fwhite5279: folds bru99: folds jupiterpig: checks *** FLOP *** [9h 5d Kd]jupiterpig: bets $0.75gfdsa146: raises $1.25 to $2jupiterpig: calls $1.25*** TURN *** [9h 5d Kd] [Qd]jupiterpig: bets $4gfdsa146: calls $4*** RIVER *** [9h 5d Kd Qd] [8s]jupiterpig: bets $12gfdsa146: folds jupiterpig collected $12 from potjupiterpig: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot $12.60 | Rake $0.60 Board [9h 5d Kd Qd 8s]Seat 1: sarriagada folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: fwhite5279 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: bru99 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: jupiterpig (big blind) collected ($12)Seat 6: Molasseshead folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: gfdsa146 folded on the RiverSeat 9: SassyJazzyMe folded before Flop (didn't bet)I was UTG+2I know that my limp is suspect, but i felt that the table was tight enough that I wasnt going to be playing a 5 or 6-way pot with my rockets. No read on my opponent.

[Mattnxtc 0]

I think you have a case of the FPS and it may have cost you.

[sabes99 0]

i guess the pf limp isn't all that bad if the table is playing that tight, or if you expect it to get raised most of the timeflop is ok, i like the small raise considering you have no range of his hands, since he was the BBi think i might raise the turn and try to find out right there if i'm beat, by just calling you set up the decision you were in fact faced withwith no read on your opponent, i might call the river just to get to see his hand

[babylondonks 5]

I don't think you're ahead here, BB's range could be anything seeing as all he had to do was check. I think you have to raise the turn. As played I'd fold.

[mtdesmoines 2]

I was UTG+2I know that my limp is suspect, but i felt that the table was tight enough that I wasnt going to be playing a 5 or 6-way pot with my rockets. No read on my opponent.

I hate hate hate this. OK, if the table is so ultra-tight that a raise will fold everyone out, raise and take your blinds. And start loosening up and looking for opportunities.

[gfdsa146 0]

I hate hate hate this. OK, if the table is so ultra-tight that a raise will fold everyone out, raise and take your blinds. And start loosening up and looking for opportunities.

why would i be happy with $.35? AA is not a $.35 hand!

[gfdsa146 0]

i guess the pf limp isn't all that bad if the table is playing that tight, or if you expect it to get raised most of the timeflop is ok, i like the small raise considering you have no range of his hands, since he was the BBi think i might raise the turn and try to find out right there if i'm beat, by just calling you set up the decision you were in fact faced withwith no read on your opponent, i might call the river just to get to see his hand

raise the turn...? maybe. I was considering raising the turn, but I felt like I was saving my money by just calling and seeing if he had a 3rd bullet in his arsenal. If he did fire a 3rd bullet, which he did, i guess i'd give him credit for a good hand (2 pair or betteR) and muck the aces. But if i were to raise the turn, how much do you think would be the right amount? the pot at the turn was 8.35 after he put his bet in. I think i had like $19 in front of me at the turn after his bet. I'm not min-raising him, thats weak. On top of that, a min-raise would have put me down to $11, and made the pot gigantic ($16). If i raise anything more than the minimum, I risk commiting myself to the pot, which i didnt really feel like doing.

[mtdesmoines 2]

why would i be happy with $.35? AA is not a $.35 hand!

> gfdsa146: calls $0.25> gfdsa146: raises $1.25 to $2> gfdsa146: calls $4> jupiterpig: bets $12> gfdsa146: folds + $.35 > - $6.25

[NoBBiR 0]

why would i be happy with $.35? AA is not a $.35 hand!

Wrong. AA is a "don't lose a big pot post flop with" hand. Play it strong and cautious. And your logic is flawed. If the table is tight, raise with AA, don't limp to limp/raise because not only will they fold to a limp raise, but no one will probably raise if they are weak/tight. Just raise AA too. This is 25 max, don't get fancy.

> gfdsa146: calls $0.25> gfdsa146: raises $1.25 to $2> gfdsa146: calls $4> jupiterpig: bets $12> gfdsa146: folds + $.35 > - $6.25

^_^And for the love of god convert the hand.

[gfdsa146 0]

> gfdsa146: calls $0.25> gfdsa146: raises $1.25 to $2> gfdsa146: calls $4> jupiterpig: bets $12> gfdsa146: folds + $.35 > - $6.25

results based

[gfdsa146 0]

Wrong. AA is a "don't lose a big pot post flop with" hand. Play it strong and cautious. And your logic is flawed. If the table is tight, raise with AA, don't limp to limp/raise because not only will they fold to a limp raise, but no one will probably raise if they are weak/tight. Just raise AA too. This is 25 max, don't get fancy.^_^And for the love of god convert the hand.

I agree with the Aces being a hand you dont lose a big pot post flop with philosophy, and i think i applied it here. I think i controlled the pot sized and stopped it from getting gigantic with a smooth call on the turn. The pot was of a decent size, but it wasnt big.I dont mind losing the $6.25, because I know that 4 out of 5 times (maybe even more, depending on what my opponent holds), I'm going to win the hand with aces. I could have raised with the rockets at a table as weak/tight as mine, but I would have only gotten 35 cents each time. the whole purpose of me limping with the aces was to get value on the hand. It ended up going the other way, but at least i gave myself a chance to win more than $.35. But I CAN be convinced otherwise on this topic; i mean, this is why i posted in strat in the first place - to hear other views on my play and to maybe use those views to change my own strategy if i should be so moved.

[gfdsa146 0]

is there ANY time that it is approrpiate to limp /w aces?

[gfdsa146 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)CO ($25.90)Button ($18.25)SB ($26.75)BB ($25)UTG ($25)Hero ($22.10)MP2 ($22.75)Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, A. 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 4 folds, BB checks.Flop: ($0.60) 9, 5, K(2 players)BB bets $0.75, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.25.Turn: ($4.60) Q(2 players)BB bets $4, Hero calls $4.River: ($12.60) 8(2 players)BB bets $12, Hero folds.Final Pot: $12.60

[babylondonks 5]

is there ANY time that it is approrpiate to limp /w aces?

Perhaps at a super aggressive 6-max table UTG

[NoBBiR 0]

is there ANY time that it is approrpiate to limp /w aces?

Of course. Against a table of loose aggressive players who you are pretty sure are going to raise behind you. Limping with aces here can turn into a disaster. If you feel confident that you can fold aces on a bad board, then limping them is fine in the above circumstance. I rarely ever slowplay aces against tighties because they never put money in the pot. The thing is, when you raise aces against a tight table, you want them to call because their range is smaller than a loose players, and you dominate that range hardcore (more so than a LAG players because they can have so many other hands). When a tighty calls a 5 or 6x raise, you can be sure they have a good hand, and it usually plays face up after that.It's funny because I'm a prime advocater of limping aces every now and then (1/6-1/10 times you get them depending on image) but in the case you described, I probably would never bother.

[mtdesmoines 2]

is there ANY time that it is approrpiate to limp /w aces?

never in a tourney and never at a .25 table that ought to cover it for a whilewait; maybe in omaha

[Lavitz 0]

Never limp AA in this spot. Do it again and I'll eat your firstborn.As played river is fold.

[gfdsa146 0]

Results:Villan didnt show, but claimed to have 2-pair.because of how tight he was, i'd guess it'd have to be K-Q

[No_Neck 0]

here is the thing with slowplaying... if you slowplay you under rep your hand, so people will think that you have a smaller hand. So they are going to bet with hands that they wouldn't normally bet with. Since you played your AA so weak I think you need to call. You are going to see a ragged two pair sometimes but a lot of time you are going to see K4

[No_Neck 0]

Results:Villan didnt show, but claimed to have 2-pair.because of how tight he was, i'd guess it'd have to be K-Q

He doesn't have to have KQ here, you let him check in the BB he could have any two cards.

[nomad_monad 0]

if the table is that weak-tight, limping with AA might be profitable. but continuing to raise with AA, broadening the range of holdings you raise and reraise with, and playing even more of a position game would be far more profitable (and turn you into a better player in the long-term).

[krup24 0]

bad limp, atrocious flop raise

[gfdsa146 0]

He doesn't have to have KQ here, you let him check in the BB he could have any two cards.

I think it would have to be...he bet-called the flop, possibly with a K. Then the Q comes on the turn then all of a sudden he's firing it up! That's why i would guess K-Q. but he could have just flopped the 2 pair...

[gfdsa146 0]

bad limp, atrocious flop raise

whats so atrocious about raising the flop?

[the_moil 0]

whats so atrocious about raising the flop?

If you think you;re ahead with the Aces......let the guy in bad position Donk off his chips. You shouldn't be scared of the flush draw heads up----that is if you raise preflop so you can define his handOh......and I can bet this guy made a low flush. Why else would he bet back into you on fourth street after only calling your raise.....