Lavitz 0 Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Really no read on villian. He seemed to be playing too many hands out of position to raises preflop. I think his preflop range is quite large here. He's like 35/15/2 over small sample (like 60ish hands). I was multi-tabling and it looked like I tanked on turn call so I'm not sure if he took that as weakness. River was confusing because it just seemed like a stupid way to play the nuts. The next best spade he could have besides ace is 10 Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $3/$66 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $1065.30UTG+1: $588CO: $487.80Hero: $750SB: $599.10BB: $609Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K K 3 folds, Hero raises to $21, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: 6 J 8 ($48, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $36, SB calls.Turn: Q ($120, 2 players)SB bets $100, Hero calls.River: A ($320, 2 players)SB is all-in $442.1, Hero pukes? Link to post Share on other sites
socalpoker_j 1 Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Really no read on villian. He seemed to be playing too many hands out of position to raises preflop. I think his preflop range is quite large here. He's like 35/15/2 over small sample (like 60ish hands). I was multi-tabling and it looked like I tanked on turn call so I'm not sure if he took that as weakness. River was confusing because it just seemed like a stupid way to play the nuts. The next best spade he could have besides ace is 10 Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $3/$66 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $1065.30UTG+1: $588CO: $487.80Hero: $750SB: $599.10BB: $609Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K K 3 folds, Hero raises to $21, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: 6 J 8 ($48, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $36, SB calls.Turn: Q ($120, 2 players)SB bets $100, Hero calls.River: A ($320, 2 players)SB is all-in $442.1, Hero pukes?Could this point be the a possible key in disseminating a possible range of hands that the villain might defend with from the sb? 2nd, how did he play those "too many hands" post flop? Link to post Share on other sites
Lavitz 0 Posted July 15, 2007 Author Share Posted July 15, 2007 Could this point be the a possible key in disseminating a possible range of hands that the villain might defend with from the sb? 2nd, how did he play those "too many hands" post flop?To be honest I hadn't seen him play a big hand yet at this current table and most of my hands with him were from another session. He probably views me as LAG and is bearing the brunt of my button raises. Link to post Share on other sites
KTW 0 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I read it all a few times but I guess I am missing something. I do not understand the "2nd nuts = nuts" thing..If you think he has the As, fold. If not, call. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Really no read on villian. He seemed to be playing too many hands out of position to raises preflop. I think his preflop range is quite large here. He's like 35/15/2 over small sample (like 60ish hands). I was multi-tabling and it looked like I tanked on turn call so I'm not sure if he took that as weakness. River was confusing because it just seemed like a stupid way to play the nuts. The next best spade he could have besides ace is 10 Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $3/$66 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $1065.30UTG+1: $588CO: $487.80Hero: $750SB: $599.10BB: $609Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K K 3 folds, Hero raises to $21, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: 6 J 8 ($48, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $36, SB calls.Turn: Q ($120, 2 players)SB bets $100, Hero calls.River: A ($320, 2 players)SB is all-in $442.1, Hero pukes?maybe he hit a gin with 9sTs, and is hoping you have the A. In any event, I fold Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 you have 3rd nuts, looks to me like someone wanting to get paid, you have to have a big one to call on the turn, does he believe you will call on the turn WORSE than the 10s? if not you cant be good. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 maybe he hit a gin with 9sTs, and is hoping you have the A. In any event, I foldSounds about right to me. You can't call. I doubt he has the Ace because the shove makes no sense because the king wont even call him. I think it's more than a maybe, I think he has 910s more often than any other hand here. Insta dump. He's begging for you to have something. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Fast Reply for a Fast Call, assuming you're playing within a reasonable bankroll. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Fast Reply for a Fast Call, assuming you're playing within a reasonable bankroll.The only way villain calls our PF raise with anything other than an A involved in his hand, and the only way he stays in this deep is if he has a suited connector T -- 9sTs comes to mind. Maaaaaybeeee he has TT with a spade, but if so, he's looking at up at both the A and the K and you hit this pot hard already. This is definitely not air and I think we can save some $ here. Link to post Share on other sites
Lavitz 0 Posted July 17, 2007 Author Share Posted July 17, 2007 The only way villain calls our PF raise with anything other than an A involved in his hand, and the only way he stays in this deep is if he has a suited connector T -- 9sTs comes to mind. Maaaaaybeeee he has TT with a spade, but if so, he's looking at up at both the A and the K and you hit this pot hard already. This is definitely not air and I think we can save some $ here.Yea, I called and he flipped 79s for the flopped flush. His river push makes no sense whatsoever because he's turning a hand with good showdown value into a bluff. I'm never calling without at least the 10 of spades. I just think when the 4th spade hit his head imploded because his expert slowplay turned into a bluff.I called because I was drunk and the next day I was reviewing this session sober and realized there was a good chance I would've folded if I wasn't intoxicated. Playing drunk= +EV Link to post Share on other sites
jkuesta 0 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Yea, I called and he flipped 79s for the flopped flush. His river push makes no sense whatsoever because he's turning a hand with good showdown value into a bluff. I'm never calling without at least the 10 of spades. I just think when the 4th spade hit his head imploded because his expert slowplay turned into a bluff.I called because I was drunk and the next day I was reviewing this session sober and realized there was a good chance I would've folded if I wasn't intoxicated. Playing drunk= +EVummmmm SICK! Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 yeah... i think a blood vessel popped in his head when the Qs dropped on the turn...he might have actually blacked out for a short period of time.. idk how else to explain his reasoning behind "i still have the 9s! IT'S GOT TO STILL BE GOOD!!" he plays bad..not gonna lie i'd be pissed if i'm villain & that turn card comes, but i'm not gonna deal w/ the situation by fuccing turning into EOR.. gimme a break this guy coulda checked & made a legitimate lay down & saved himself some money... all i can say, is he plays bad... Link to post Share on other sites
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