Jj Vs. Continuation Bet

[Citizen Erased 0]

Hi all.First post on here, but I've been hovering for a while now.For this my first posted hand, I'd been sitting at the time for about two hours. The table is aggressive, with a average pot of $2.2.The villain of the hand is generally LAG, betting around 4x BB on mediocre hands such as A6o, K7o, etc.I've acted somewhat TAG, raising upon entry the majority of times I've seen a flop, on which a continuation bet proved successful.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Hero ($8.60)SB ($12.05)BB ($9.70)UTG ($3.50)MP ($8.10)CO ($9.35)Preflop: Hero is Button with J , J . 1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.5, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP folds.Flop: ($1.25) 3 , K , T (2 players)CO bets $0.85, Hero raises to $2, CO calls $1.15.Turn: ($5.25) 7 (2 players)CO bets $6.85 (All-In), Hero ???I've only been playing for about 6 months now; online for little over a month, so all advice is strongly welcomed.

[Heels930 0]

Any particular reason you didnt re-raise pre-flop? I probly flat call on the flop as well and re-evaluate on the turn. But as you played it I dont think you can call on that turn with JJ without the diamond even though that bet looks fishy.

[dbl_j_22 0]

Hi all.First post on here, but I've been hovering for a while now.For this my first posted hand, I'd been sitting at the time for about two hours. The table is aggressive, with a average pot of $2.2.The villain of the hand is generally LAG, betting around 4x BB on mediocre hands such as A6o, K7o, etc.I've acted somewhat TAG, raising upon entry the majority of times I've seen a flop, on which a continuation bet proved successful.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Hero ($8.60)SB ($12.05)BB ($9.70)UTG ($3.50)MP ($8.10)CO ($9.35)Preflop: Hero is Button with J , J . 1 fold, MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.5, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP folds.Flop: ($1.25) 3 , K , T (2 players)CO bets $0.85, Hero raises to $2, CO calls $1.15.Turn: ($5.25) 7 (2 players)CO bets $6.85 (All-In), Hero ???I've only been playing for about 6 months now; online for little over a month, so all advice is strongly welcomed.

I like how you played this hand except the flop should have been raised more, after your .85 call theres about 3 in the pot so you should make it atleast 3 if not like 3.50. Against a lag theres a couple of ways to play jacks in this spot. I prefer playing fast in position against a lag and slow out of position because usually most of their tricks rely on reading how someone is playing their position and they know that you know you should be playing faster in position so when you have a big hand you can take this spot to really punish them and still get action because they might incorrectly think you are makng a play. Also even though jacks are a big hand it is vulnerable so reraising preflop is also good for protecting your hand.Now since you chose with just smooth calling, your flop line is perfect, you get his c-bet in there to take down and you still put in an extra bet with your jacks, despite the king being out there. If you aren't going to r/r preflop then waiting to the flop against this type is perfect. But again i like a little more on the flop.The turn is tough, its completely read dependent. Some lags can't keep firing and risk all their chips, some lags are just completely suicidal. The problem here is we are looking at the king and the diamonds hitting without holding a diamond ourselves which may push it towards a call. Generally I like a fold here, even after all the bets put in he kept coming it seems like he needs a hand here, however if he is completely completely lagtarded then its a call b/c this is a play made with just the lone A of diamonds.

[simo_8ball 1]

I like the call in position preflop.With a read I don't mind just calling the flop, but raising makes your decisions simpler. I would have preferred to see a raise to $2.50 though.As played, I think you simply have to fold. There are very few hands that you beat at this point.

[David_Nicoson 1]

I think you waited for a poor flop and then raised.Reraise for value preflop when you have his range crushed.

[sabes99 0]

i definitely raise pf, you have the best hand way too often and need to get your money in while you have the best of it considering that your hand is vulnerable in a multi-way potno need for the flop raise here, i'd fold for sure...if you're going to make a play with a read then i guess that's ok but then you need to raise moreturn is instafold

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Reraise preflop, IMO. Not to sound demeaning, but, at that level, I think it's better to employ a very straight forward, very solid line--and it'll always prove profitable. I really don't mind folding the flop, though, I do appreciate your aggression. As played, I fold the turn unless you think this is a bluff more than 1 out of 3 times--which I don't.

[da_suit 0]

I think just calling preflop is fine and actually I like the raise on the flop to find out where you are at. When he calls your raise I think you have to put him on at least A10, dmnd draw or a King. Once he shoves the turn I think you can eliminate A-10(unless its Ad-10) so your left with a very small range of hands that you beat.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

I think just calling preflop is fine and actually I like the raise on the flop to find out where you are at. When he calls your raise I think you have to put him on at least A10, dmnd draw or a King. Once he shoves the turn I think you can eliminate A-10(unless its Ad-10) so your left with a very small range of hands that you beat.

I think putting money in the pot "to find out where you're at", is a fancier way of saying, "to spew chips". If you re-raise preflop, you *know* where you're at, when you have the villain's hand range crushed.

[Lavitz 0]

You have to fold to this turn overbet.Also, reraise JJ preflop. I don't mind cold calling against aggro donk but this is not the ideal flop for you so don't go broke on it to a hand like KJ. You have to be willing to get away from it.

[da_suit 0]

I think putting money in the pot "to find out where you're at", is a fancier way of saying, "to spew chips". If you re-raise preflop, you *know* where you're at, when you have the villain's hand range crushed.

Ok, at this level with a LAG player your not going to take this pot down preflop unless you shove which would just be dumb. So no matter what you do preflop the action will still be the same on the flop. He already took over the action on the flop and still got shoved into on the turn. I dont think the preflop action makes any difference to the villian once he see's that flop his actions will more then likely be the same(You can tell this because the hero already tried to take control of this hand and it didnt work)

[fckthis 0]

Ok, at this level with a LAG player your not going to take this pot down preflop unless you shove which would just be dumb. So no matter what you do preflop the action will still be the same on the flop. He already took over the action on the flop and still got shoved into on the turn. I dont think the preflop action makes any difference to the villian once he see's that flop his actions will more then likely be the same(You can tell this because the hero already tried to take control of this hand and it didnt work)

but that doesnt matter. we dont care if this LAG comes along or doesnt. We're putting more money in the pot and charging the LAG more to outdraw our hand, that should be crushing his range.

[da_suit 0]

but that doesnt matter. we dont care if this LAG comes along or doesnt. We're putting more money in the pot and charging the LAG more to outdraw our hand, that should be crushing his range.

I didnt say which way I thought was right or wrong( although after reading what your said raising is probably right), all I said is that the action preflop would not affect the villians action on the flop. Meaning it wouldnt of mattered how you played it p/f....

[David_Nicoson 1]

Ok, at this level with a LAG player your not going to take this pot down preflop unless you shove which would just be dumb. So no matter what you do preflop the action will still be the same on the flop. He already took over the action on the flop and still got shoved into on the turn. I dont think the preflop action makes any difference to the villian once he see's that flop his actions will more then likely be the same(You can tell this because the hero already tried to take control of this hand and it didnt work)

Suppose the villain has a weak king. He's much less worried about being outkicked since our hero didn't reraise preflop. So I think the preflop action is relevant. The hero can more convincingly represent a big hand if he reraises preflop.However, I don't think that's the primary reason the hero should raise preflop. He's just raising for value against a worse raise.

[whiterice714 0]

Suppose the villain has a weak king. He's much less worried about being outkicked since our hero didn't reraise preflop. So I think the preflop action is relevant. The hero can more convincingly represent a big hand if he reraises preflop.However, I don't think that's the primary reason the hero should raise preflop. He's just raising for value against a worse raise.

in this specific scenario this is extremely relevant for points already made...