justblaze 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 crossposted in strategy, advice wanted:--------------------------------------------- Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with [7d], [7c]. 6 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold. Flop: (7 SB) [Td], [7h], [Kd] (3 players) SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls. Turn: (5 BB) [9d] (3 players) SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls. River: (8 BB) [Ac] (3 players) SB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls. Final Pot: 12 BB $10 says you cant guess what he had. ------------------------------------------------------ Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP2 with [Ac], [Tc]. 3 folds, MP1 raises, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: (12 SB) [6s], [9d], [5s] (6 players) SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks. Turn: (6 BB) [Ah] (6 players) SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls, BB folds, MP1 folds. River: (10 BB) [Ks] (4 players) SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO folds, SB folds. Final Pot: 12 BB ------------------------------------------------------------------ Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP1 with [Js], [As]. UTG posts a blind of $2. UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: (12.50 SB) [Tc], [Ah], [4s] (6 players) BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls. Turn: (8.75 BB) [Kc] (5 players) BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, CO calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds. River: (10.75 BB) [6h] (2 players) Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls. Final Pot: 14.75 BB ------------------------------------------------------------- Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP3 with [Ac], [Ah]. 1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls. Flop: (20.50 SB) [3s], [4s], [Jc] (5 players) BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, CO folds, Button folds, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, BB calls. Turn: (16.25 BB) [Td] (3 players) BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls. River: (23.62 BB) [4d] (3 players) BB bets, Hero calls. Final Pot: 25.62 BB ----------------------------------------------------- anyone else got different lines? Link to post Share on other sites
budfox427 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 uh oh, he had 5-6o the first hand and was trying to pull an 8 wasn't he? But one made a lower flush and you drug it, right? Link to post Share on other sites
justblaze 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Author Share Posted April 21, 2005 uh oh, he had 5-6o the first hand and was trying to pull an 8 wasn't he? Â But one made a lower flush and you drug it, right?thats so far off its not even funny. you wouldnt guess in a million years what this guy had. it was ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 A brilliantly slowplayed set of Kings? Sure, he could've extracted a bunch of extra bets on the flop and the turn, but where's the fun in that? Link to post Share on other sites
justblaze 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Author Share Posted April 21, 2005 ok ill give you guys the first one: button had JQo for the nut straight. Link to post Share on other sites
budfox427 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 he didn't raise that? :shock: Link to post Share on other sites
justblaze 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Author Share Posted April 21, 2005 he didn't raise that? :shock:well he played the whole thing kinda screwy. he should have raised the flop for a free card (although it wouldnt have worked as i would have 3 bet him), and he should have raised the turn. he would have got a lot of action. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 he didn't raise that? :shock:well he played the whole thing kinda screwy. he should have raised the flop for a free card (although it wouldnt have worked as i would have 3 bet him), and he should have raised the turn. he would have got a lot of action.U stupid idiot. i wa sjust about to say Q,J.. or AA, which would be even more hilarious., anwyas. let me read the next few hands. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 If I read this earlier I would have said QJ... looked obvious when the ace hit the river. Link to post Share on other sites
justblaze 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Author Share Posted April 21, 2005 If I read this earlier I would have said QJ... looked obvious when the ace hit the river.how do you figure? the ace didnt improve his hand at all. he had the nut straight on the turn... Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP3 with [Ac], [Ah].1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls.Flop: (20.50 SB) [3s], [4s], [Jc] (5 players)BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, CO folds, Button folds, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, BB calls.Turn: (16.25 BB) [Td] (3 players)BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.River: (23.62 BB) [4d] (3 players)BB bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 25.62 BB What happend to UTG???. he capped the flop but was no longer involved in the turn?BB comes out of no after the flop. I assume BB had J, J ???? Link to post Share on other sites
KingAustin 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 If I read this earlier I would have said QJ... looked obvious when the ace hit the river.how do you figure? the ace didnt improve his hand at all. he had the nut straight on the turn...Technically it did improve his hand, cause it went from K hi to A hi, but he still had the nut straight. Just felt like being technical here...proceed with your hand histories.. Link to post Share on other sites
21gambit 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 QJ was my gut instinct, then you said that we couldnt guess in a million years and figured it was some odd ball play with KK. QJ is obvious. He probably didnt raise the turn because he doesnt want to lose the other guy and is concerned about a flush. The fact that he didnt raise the flop for the free card isnt that shocking. Link to post Share on other sites
justblaze 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Author Share Posted April 21, 2005 If I read this earlier I would have said QJ... looked obvious when the ace hit the river.how do you figure? the ace didnt improve his hand at all. he had the nut straight on the turn...Technically it did improve his hand, cause it went from K hi to A hi, but he still had the nut straight. Just felt like being technical here...proceed with your hand histories..ok but the point is how is it obvious he has a straight when he raises on the end. he could have had AQ, or A10. The A did not complete a straight that was not already a made straight. Link to post Share on other sites
21gambit 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 on the last hand, you raised the turn with aces? did you win that?I dont know what he had, but I dont think you should have raised the turn, it was time to slow down.yeah, technically schmetically it improved hjs hand. Sometimes people need to be quiet. the hand had the same strength the whole time and its strength didnt vary, the only thing youre worried about is a flsuh. Link to post Share on other sites
KingAustin 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 If I read this earlier I would have said QJ... looked obvious when the ace hit the river.how do you figure? the ace didnt improve his hand at all. he had the nut straight on the turn...Technically it did improve his hand, cause it went from K hi to A hi, but he still had the nut straight. Just felt like being technical here...proceed with your hand histories..ok but the point is how is it obvious he has a straight when he raises on the end. he could have had AQ, or A10. The A did not complete a straight that was not already a made straight.I knew what you meant when you first posted it, but I just felt like being an asshole about it and get technical. Link to post Share on other sites
BeanGW 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 crossposted in strategy, advice wanted:--------------------------------------------- Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with [7d], [7c]. 6 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold. Flop: (7 SB) [Td], [7h], [Kd] (3 players) SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls. Turn: (5 BB) [9d] (3 players) SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls. River: (8 BB) [Ac] (3 players) SB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls. Final Pot: 12 BB $10 says you cant guess what he had. ------------------------------------------------------ Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP2 with [Ac], [Tc]. 3 folds, MP1 raises, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: (12 SB) [6s], [9d], [5s] (6 players) SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks. Turn: (6 BB) [Ah] (6 players) SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls, BB folds, MP1 folds. River: (10 BB) [Ks] (4 players) SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO folds, SB folds. Final Pot: 12 BB ------------------------------------------------------------------ Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP1 with [Js], [As]. UTG posts a blind of $2. UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: (12.50 SB) [Tc], [Ah], [4s] (6 players) BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO calls, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls. Turn: (8.75 BB) [Kc] (5 players) BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, CO calls, BB folds, UTG+1 folds. River: (10.75 BB) [6h] (2 players) Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls. Final Pot: 14.75 BB ------------------------------------------------------------- Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP3 with [Ac], [Ah]. 1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls. Flop: (20.50 SB) [3s], [4s], [Jc] (5 players) BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, CO folds, Button folds, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, BB calls. Turn: (16.25 BB) [Td] (3 players) BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls. River: (23.62 BB) [4d] (3 players) BB bets, Hero calls. Final Pot: 25.62 BB ----------------------------------------------------- anyone else got different lines?About the first hand:The button didn't have a made hand until the river, but with three players in the pot he had his 30% nut straight draw pot odds covered. He couldn't have put Hero on the diamonds, because the preflop raise indicated either a pair or two over cards, and the bet from Hero on the flop said either middle pair or he paired the King with a solid kicker. He had to figure that with Hero in early position he wouldn't be the first to bet post flop on the diamond draw... because if you're on a draw you (GENERALLY) want to keep people in the pot and just call bets when your odds are right.The BB didn't raise with a made flush on the turn (which would have been the appropriate play unless he had the nut flush...) I think the Button played this hand perfectly. As you mention, it's also a very tough hand to put someone on.About the last hand you discuss:Somebody flopped a set of Jacks and made a full boat on the river. I'd be very surprised if Hero won that hand. He should have just called the first bet on the turn and hoped to see an Ace on the river cheaply, UTG+1's bet, and a 3xBB raise later would have me running scared, especially from a middle position. He probably one guy beat, but the other's got two pair or a set. No one's betting like that on a draw. Link to post Share on other sites
justblaze 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Author Share Posted April 21, 2005 on the last hand, you raised the turn with aces? did you win that?I dont know what he had, but I dont think you should have raised the turn, it was time to slow down.no, he had JJ. theres about a million hands he could have made that play with though that i had beat. could have been slowplaying KK or QQ, could have AJ, KJ, or J10, or even J3. And Royal, UTG was all in. Link to post Share on other sites
21gambit 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 maybe there are alot of hands he could have made that play with, but raising is not the move to make against that play Link to post Share on other sites
justblaze 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Author Share Posted April 21, 2005 About the first hand: The button didn't have a made hand until the riveractually he turned a straight (910JQK)About the last hand you discuss: Somebody flopped a set of Jacks and made a full boat on the river. I'd be very surprised if Hero won that hand. He should have just called the first bet on the turn and hoped to see an Ace on the river cheaply, UTG+1's bet, and a 3xBB raise later would have me running scared, especially from a middle position. He probably one guy beat, but the other's got two pair or a set. No one's betting like that on a draw.you aware this is limit? i could see that guy going nuts with all kinds of hands that i have beat. But, duly noted, it seems i should have slowed down. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 on the last hand, you raised the turn with aces? did you win that?I dont know what he had, but I dont think you should have raised the turn, it was time to slow down.no, he had JJ. theres about a million hands he could have made that play with though that i had beat. could have been slowplaying KK or QQ, could have AJ, KJ, or J10, or even J3. And Royal, UTG was all in.Thanks., so i made 2 correct reads.. Man i'm good. LOL.. hey. when u back at Rama??? let me know Link to post Share on other sites
21gambit 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 shut up royal, post some hands and let us make fun of you. Everyones really good at driving from the backseat. :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
BeanGW 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 If I read this earlier I would have said QJ... looked obvious when the ace hit the river.how do you figure? the ace didnt improve his hand at all. he had the nut straight on the turn...Technically it did improve his hand, cause it went from K hi to A hi, but he still had the nut straight. Just felt like being technical here...proceed with your hand histories..ok but the point is how is it obvious he has a straight when he raises on the end. he could have had AQ, or A10. The A did not complete a straight that was not already a made straight.Button would have folded postflop or turn with either of those hands. They are hands that are intended to be layed down if they do not improve on the flop and there is any significant betting. The button's smooth calls on the flop and turn indicated the likelihood that he was on the draw. If he wanted to make a play at you with A-Q or A-10 he would have likely done it sooner. At the end, he wants that last call.Hero played the hand fine... (although maybe could have checked it out on the end) just got the beat on the end... had to call the last bet even though there was the liklihood the nut straight had been made. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 shut up royal, post some hands and let us make fun of you. Everyones really good at driving from the backseat. :wink:I've posted plenty of hands you retard. check some of my histories.and besides., Blaze tossed these out here to get some feed back, on what we might have thought, perhaps he was disgusted by the play on the 1st hand, and is looking for some of us to agree with him..lets dance dick weed Link to post Share on other sites
21gambit 0 Posted April 21, 2005 Share Posted April 21, 2005 lolgrab a spoon and eat my ass. Link to post Share on other sites
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