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[JFarrell20 1]

I know this should be in the Stud section but I wanted to let everyone know that the 7 card stud tables on Party Poker are softer than ... an old man's ... well, let's just say it's soft! I mean it basically translates to "more cards/more chances for opponents to err."I know Akishore has posted about Omaha hi/lo being soft, but I made $46 in 36 minutes tonight at the .5/1 7-card stud table. And I never play stud. I think I just may have to play it a little more now! Seriously, I'm tired of sitting at the limit hold 'em tables getting dealt AA with 6 limpers ahead of me knowing full well that raising pre-flop is dam.n near futile (of course I do it anyway, and invariably lose a large pot).I'll post some stud hands so you can see what I mean...by the way... is there a Stud hand converter??? Does it matter? Oh well don't yell at me for not converting! I'm trying to help you all make more $$Remember the first 2 cards and the 7th card are face down. The 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th cards are face up. Primarily it was 4-handed at an 8 seat table. Game plays with an ante and the low card showing brings in the first bet (forced).#Game No : 1926480639 ***** Hand History for Game 1926480639 *****$0.5/$1 7 Card Stud - Thursday, April 21, 00:10:19 EDT 2005Table Top of the World (Real Money)Seat 0 is the buttonTotal number of players : 4 Seat 1: Uplay2lose ( $17.25 )Seat 5: pporong ( $102.05 )Seat 8: tony_5261 ( $26.33 )Seat 4: JFarrell20 ( $30 )Uplay2lose posts ante [$0.25].JFarrell20 posts ante [$0.25].tony_5261 posts ante [$0.25].** Dealing **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Ts Jc As ]Uplay2lose opens.Uplay2lose bring-ins [$0.25].JFarrell20 completes [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].Uplay2lose calls [$0.25].** Dealing Fourth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Qh ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].Uplay2lose calls [$0.5].** Dealing Fifth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 8s ]tony_5261 opens.tony_5261 bets [$1].Uplay2lose calls [$1].JFarrell20 calls [$1].** Dealing Sixth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Kc ]So I got lucky and hit my card. lol. "Implied Odds" people!tony_5261 opens.tony_5261 bets [$1].Uplay2lose raises [$2].JFarrell20 raises [$3].tony_5261 calls [$2].Uplay2lose raises [$2].JFarrell20 calls [$1].tony_5261 calls [$1].** Dealing River **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 4h ]tony_5261 opens.tony_5261 checks.PolkaCow has joined the table.Uplay2lose bets [$1].JFarrell20 calls [$1].Not sure why I didn't raise here. Maybe I wanted the over-call. Heck I don't know, but anyway..tony_5261 calls [$1].Uplay2lose shows [ 5d, 6d, 6c, 3h, 4c, 7s, 2d ] a straight, three to seven.JFarrell20 shows [ Ts, Jc, As, Qh, 8s, Kc, 4h ] a straight, ten to ace.tony_5261 doesn't show [ 3s, Qd, Ah, Qc, Ad, 8c, 7c ] two pairs, aces and queens.JFarrell20 wins $20.75 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.Game #1926489854 starts.#Game No : 1926498123 ***** Hand History for Game 1926498123 *****$0.5/$1 7 Card Stud - Thursday, April 21, 00:13:19 EDT 2005Table Top of the World (Real Money)Seat 0 is the buttonTotal number of players : 5 Seat 1: Uplay2lose ( $34.25 )Seat 5: pporong ( $102.05 )Seat 8: tony_5261 ( $16.33 )Seat 4: JFarrell20 ( $42 )Seat 6: PolkaCow ( $19.5 )Uplay2lose posts ante [$0.25].JFarrell20 posts ante [$0.25].PolkaCow posts ante [$0.25].tony_5261 posts ante [$0.25].** Dealing **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 5c Ad 5s ]tony_5261 opens.tony_5261 bring-ins [$0.25].Uplay2lose folds.JFarrell20 calls [$0.25].PolkaCow completes [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.25].JFarrell20 calls [$0.25].** Dealing Fourth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ As ]hit two pairs... going for C/R.JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 checks.PolkaCow bets [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].JFarrell20 raises [$1].PolkaCow calls [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Fifth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Jh ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].PolkaCow calls [$1].tony_5261 folds.** Dealing Sixth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 8c ]PolkaCow opens.PolkaCow bets [$1].JFarrell20 raises [$2].Still raising with likely the best hand with a re-draw to the nut boat.PolkaCow calls [$1].** Dealing River **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 4s ]PolkaCow opens.PolkaCow checks.JFarrell20 bets [$1].PolkaCow calls [$1].JFarrell20 shows [ 5c, Ad, 5s, As, Jh, 8c, 4s ] two pairs, aces and fives.PolkaCow doesn't show [ Qd, Qs, Jc, 8s, 2s, 2c, 5d ] two pairs, queens and twos.JFarrell20 wins $12.75 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and fives.Game #1926504062 starts.Hand History for Game 1926515958 *****$0.5/$1 7 Card Stud - Thursday, April 21, 00:16:22 EDT 2005Table Top of the World (Real Money)Seat 0 is the buttonTotal number of players : 5 Seat 1: Uplay2lose ( $34.75 )Seat 5: pporong ( $102.05 )Seat 8: tony_5261 ( $18.33 )Seat 4: JFarrell20 ( $48.25 )Seat 6: PolkaCow ( $10 )Uplay2lose posts ante [$0.25].JFarrell20 posts ante [$0.25].PolkaCow posts ante [$0.25].tony_5261 posts ante [$0.25].** Dealing **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 2s Jd Ad ]Uplay2lose opens.Uplay2lose bring-ins [$0.25].JFarrell20 calls [$0.25].PolkaCow calls [$0.25].tony_5261 calls [$0.25].** Dealing Fourth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Jc ]PolkaCow opens.PolkaCow double bets [$1].tony_5261 folds.Uplay2lose folds.JFarrell20 raises [$2].I raise with likely the best hand.PolkaCow calls [$1].** Dealing Fifth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 7h ]PolkaCow opens.PolkaCow bets [$1].JFarrell20 raises [$2].PolkaCow calls [$1].** Dealing Sixth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 9s ]PolkaCow opens.PolkaCow checks.JFarrell20 bets [$1].PolkaCow calls [$1].** Dealing River **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ As ]PolkaCow opens.PolkaCow checks.JFarrell20 bets [$1].PolkaCow calls [$1].JFarrell20 shows [ 2s, Jd, Ad, Jc, 7h, 9s, As ] two pairs, aces and jacks.PolkaCow doesn't show [ 8d, 7c, Jh, Js, 8c, Qs, Kh ] two pairs, jacks and eights.JFarrell20 wins $13.25 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and jacks.Game #1926522625 starts.Looks like I sucked out. Oops. I had to believe my Jacks were ahead of his Jacks after 5th street though.Game No : 1926552399 ***** Hand History for Game 1926552399 *****$0.5/$1 7 Card Stud - Thursday, April 21, 00:22:45 EDT 2005Table Top of the World (Real Money)Seat 0 is the buttonTotal number of players : 6 Seat 1: Uplay2lose ( $31.75 )Seat 5: pporong ( $105.8 )Seat 8: tony_5261 ( $14.58 )Seat 4: JFarrell20 ( $50.5 )Seat 6: PolkaCow ( $5 )Seat 2: roadway30 ( $15 )Uplay2lose posts ante [$0.25].roadway30 posts ante [$0.25].JFarrell20 posts ante [$0.25].pporong posts ante [$0.25].PolkaCow posts ante [$0.25].tony_5261 posts ante [$0.25].** Dealing **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Tc 2d Th ]PolkaCow opens.PolkaCow bring-ins [$0.25].tony_5261 calls [$0.25].Uplay2lose calls [$0.25].roadway30 calls [$0.25].JFarrell20 completes [$0.5].I raise with likely the best hand.pporong folds.PolkaCow calls [$0.25].tony_5261 calls [$0.25].Uplay2lose calls [$0.25].roadway30 calls [$0.25].** Dealing Fourth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 9d ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$0.5].PolkaCow folds.tony_5261 calls [$0.5].Uplay2lose calls [$0.5].roadway30 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Fifth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Jh ]tony_5261 opens.tony_5261 checks.Uplay2lose bets [$1].roadway30 folds.JFarrell20 calls [$1].tony_5261 folds.** Dealing Sixth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Jc ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 checks.Uplay2lose bets [$1].JFarrell20 calls [$1].** Dealing River **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 4d ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 checks.I check here sure that she has a straight (showing 5 6 7 8). Looking to check/call. She checks. Oops.Uplay2lose checks.JFarrell20 shows [ Tc, 2d, Th, 9d, Jh, Jc, 4d ] two pairs, jacks and tens.Uplay2lose doesn't show [ 8c, 7s, 8s, 6s, 7c, 5d, Kd ] two pairs, eights and sevens.JFarrell20 wins $9.5 from the main pot with two pairs, jacks and tens.Game #1926561362 starts.Game No : 1926618880 ***** Hand History for Game 1926618880 *****$0.5/$1 7 Card Stud - Thursday, April 21, 00:34:55 EDT 2005Table Top of the World (Real Money)Seat 0 is the buttonTotal number of players : 4 Seat 1: Uplay2lose ( $25.25 )Seat 5: pporong ( $98.55 )Seat 8: tony_5261 ( $22.08 )Seat 4: JFarrell20 ( $54 )Uplay2lose posts ante [$0.25].JFarrell20 posts ante [$0.25].tony_5261 posts ante [$0.25].** Dealing **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 9c 8h Tc ]tony_5261 opens.tony_5261 bring-ins [$0.25].Uplay2lose folds.JFarrell20 completes [$0.5].I'll raise with 3-to-a-straight. (Straights and Flushes are obviously more accessible in this game, compared to holdem, due to the fact that you can see your opponents cards. IE: You're going for the nut club flush and all your opponents show clubs...fold. Duh. This isn't as easy to do in holdem). Also look at everyones cards right away, because if they fold you'll want to remember what they folded. Ex: You're dealt 8 9 J... and you see someone fold a face up 10. Obviously this is useful knowlege.tony_5261 raises [$0.75].JFarrell20 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Fourth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Ah ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Fifth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 6h ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].tony_5261 calls [$1].** Dealing Sixth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 9h ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 checks.tony_5261 checks.** Dealing River **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 9d ]Chased my staight and hit trips.JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].tony_5261 raises [$2].JFarrell20 calls [$1].tony_5261 shows [ Ks, Kh, 8s, 7c, Jc, Qc, Jd ] two pairs, kings and jacks.JFarrell20 shows [ 9c, 8h, Tc, Ah, 6h, 9h, 9d ] three of a kind, nines.JFarrell20 wins $9.25 from the main pot with three of a kind, nines.Game #1926624210 starts.ame No : 1926630142 ***** Hand History for Game 1926630142 *****$0.5/$1 7 Card Stud - Thursday, April 21, 00:37:01 EDT 2005Table Top of the World (Real Money)Seat 0 is the buttonTotal number of players : 4 Seat 1: Uplay2lose ( $26.5 )Seat 5: pporong ( $98.55 )Seat 8: tony_5261 ( $17.08 )Seat 4: JFarrell20 ( $57.25 )Uplay2lose posts ante [$0.25].JFarrell20 posts ante [$0.25].pporong posts ante [$0.25].tony_5261 posts ante [$0.25].** Dealing **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Qd Qs 2h ]JFarrell20 opens.JA11111 has joined the table.JFarrell20 bets [$0.5].pporong calls [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].Uplay2lose folds.** Dealing Fourth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 7h ]pporong opens.pporong bets [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].JFarrell20 raises [$1].pporong calls [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Fifth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 7d ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].pporong calls [$1].tony_5261 calls [$1].** Dealing Sixth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 2s ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].pporong folds.tony_5261 calls [$1].** Dealing River **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 6s ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].tony_5261 calls [$1].JFarrell20 shows [ Qd, Qs, 2h, 7h, 7d, 2s, 6s ] two pairs, queens and sevens.tony_5261 doesn't show [ 3c, 9d, 9h, Td, Js, Tc, 6d ] two pairs, tens and nines.JFarrell20 wins $11.75 from the main pot with two pairs, queens and sevens.Game #1926634377 starts.another lucky handGame No : 1926640400 ***** Hand History for Game 1926640400 *****$0.5/$1 7 Card Stud - Thursday, April 21, 00:38:59 EDT 2005Table Top of the World (Real Money)Seat 0 is the buttonTotal number of players : 5 Seat 1: Uplay2lose ( $33.75 )Seat 5: pporong ( $95.8 )Seat 8: tony_5261 ( $8.08 )Seat 4: JFarrell20 ( $63.5 )Seat 3: JA11111 ( $1.75 )Uplay2lose posts ante [$0.25].JA11111 posts ante [$0.25].JFarrell20 posts ante [$0.25].tony_5261 posts ante [$0.25].** Dealing **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Jh Th 8h ]Uplay2lose opens.Uplay2lose bring-ins [$0.25].JA11111 calls [$0.25].JFarrell20 completes [$0.5].3 coordinated hearts i raise.tony_5261 calls [$0.5].Uplay2lose calls [$0.25].JA11111 calls [$0.25].** Dealing Fourth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 9s ]JA11111 opens.JA11111 checks.JFarrell20 double bets [$1].tony_5261 folds.Uplay2lose calls [$1].JA11111 is all-In [$1]** Dealing Fifth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 7d ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].Uplay2lose calls [$1].** Dealing Sixth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 3d ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].Uplay2lose folds.** Dealing River **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 2s ]JFarrell20 shows [ Jh, Th, 8h, 9s, 7d, 3d, 2s ] a straight, seven to jack.JA11111 doesn't show [ 2h, 8d, 6h, 6c, 9c, 7c, 2c ] two pairs, sixes and twos.JFarrell20 wins $3 from side pot #1 with a straight, seven to jack.JFarrell20 wins $5.5 from the main pot with a straight, seven to jack.Game #1926645730 starts.#Game No : 1926645730 ***** Hand History for Game 1926645730 *****$0.5/$1 7 Card Stud - Thursday, April 21, 00:40:00 EDT 2005Table Top of the World (Real Money)Seat 0 is the buttonTotal number of players : 5 Seat 1: Uplay2lose ( $31 )Seat 5: pporong ( $95.8 )Seat 8: tony_5261 ( $17.33 )Seat 4: JFarrell20 ( $68.25 )Seat 3: JA11111 ( $0 )Uplay2lose posts ante [$0.25].JFarrell20 posts ante [$0.25].tony_5261 posts ante [$0.25].** Dealing **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Js 7h Jd ]tony_5261 opens.JA11111 has left the table.tony_5261 bring-ins [$0.25].Uplay2lose folds.JFarrell20 completes [$0.5].tony_5261 raises [$0.75].JFarrell20 raises [$1].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Fourth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 6h ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Fifth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 8h ]tony_5261 opens.tony_5261 checks.JFarrell20 checks.** Dealing Sixth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Jc ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].tony_5261 calls [$1].** Dealing River **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 5c ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].tony_5261 calls [$1].JFarrell20 shows [ Js, 7h, Jd, 6h, 8h, Jc, 5c ] three of a kind, jacks.tony_5261 doesn't show [ Qh, Ac, 2h, Ts, Qd, 6c, 3d ] a pair of queens.JFarrell20 wins $8.25 from the main pot with three of a kind, jacks.Game #1926649698 starts.ame No : 1926674375 ***** Hand History for Game 1926674375 *****$0.5/$1 7 Card Stud - Thursday, April 21, 00:45:35 EDT 2005Table Top of the World (Real Money)Seat 0 is the buttonTotal number of players : 4 Seat 1: Uplay2lose ( $24.25 )Seat 5: pporong ( $95.8 )Seat 8: tony_5261 ( $19.58 )Seat 4: JFarrell20 ( $71.25 )Uplay2lose posts ante [$0.25].JFarrell20 posts ante [$0.25].tony_5261 posts ante [$0.25].** Dealing **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ As Ks 8h ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].Uplay2lose raises [$1].JFarrell20 calls [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Fourth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 4d ]Uplay2lose opens.Uplay2lose bets [$0.5].JFarrell20 calls [$0.5].tony_5261 calls [$0.5].** Dealing Fifth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Kd ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].tony_5261 calls [$1].Uplay2lose folds.** Dealing Sixth street **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ Kh ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].tony_5261 calls [$1].** Dealing River **Dealt to JFarrell20 [ 9c ]JFarrell20 opens.JFarrell20 bets [$1].tony_5261 calls [$1].JFarrell20 shows [ As, Ks, 8h, 4d, Kd, Kh, 9c ] three of a kind, kings.tony_5261 doesn't show [ 4s, Js, 8s, 4c, 3s, 4h, Qd ] three of a kind, fours.JFarrell20 wins $10.75 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings.Game #1926679995 starts.Sure I got lucky and I probably made several mistakes but this hopefully shows how much softer it is than holdem right now.Let me know if anyone else has ventured from the LHE tables and had success.$30 to $76 in 36 minutes -J

[cdddc75 0]

Variance is cool.

[RISEorFall 0]

Remember the first 2 cards and the 7th card are face up.  The 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th cards are face down.  

actually, 1st, 2nd and 7th cards are face down and 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th are face up. Hellmuth's section on stud is pretty good if you want some reading on it.

[StackOSociety 0]

Yeah, I've never played stud IN MY LIFE, and I just held my own at the tables there. Was up about 20 and down almost 30 at the low point, but basically broke even at about a 5 dollar loss. Lost a 40 dollar pot when I had aces in the hole that improved to a 2 pair and some guy hit a full house hitting both 6 and 7th street to make the boat. And some @#$$# who had 2 pair but rivered a gutshot ot beat my trip jacks. Ahhh. Interesting game, stud is. I was playing it heads up for awhile and was doing pretty good one on one. Hightlight of the night? Calling down with nothing, hitting an Ace on 7th street and re-raising a bet to take down a nice pot when they had at least a pair of 5's on their board. Tee hee. Alcohol and new poker games go hand in hand... :twisted:

[JFarrell20 1]

Yeah I mean I'll try it out again tonight and see if I'm as lucky. I'm assuming the stud tables are full of old people with retirement $ to burn.Holdem seems to be full of college kids more and more. Even at .5/1 I hear people talking about fold equity, implied odds, and other stuff that .5/1 fish shouldn't be aware of! lol. The stud table (at least the one I was at) was full of people who seemed to have a sub-Ape IQ.Seriously, it's like they don't even look at everyone's face up cards. Just their own. lol. They seemed to enjoy playing every hand as well.Just remember to play aggressively if you're dealt 3 suited cards in a multiway pot, b/c you'll end up winning more than your fair share.I basically folded if I was dealt 3 unsuited cards of which 1 or less was a paint card. Also, play down cards that are "sneaky" (obviously). But it seems like the other players prefered to play their ace up card even if their two down cards were junk. It obviously is much more beneficial to play better downcards. (Unless you are heads up and bluffing that you have a pair of aces, or whatever.)But yeah, I think .5/1 holdem players should be able to crush .5/1 7-card stud. These people think a pair of queens out of 7 cards is actually good. Just remember your hand should be significantly stronger in stud than in holdem (as is also the case in Omaha)Good luck.

[srblan 0]

I play stud quite often to build a roll. The antes mean that you'll get a lot more loose calls early on. That means that your strong hands will get cracked more often, but your really strong hands well get rewarded heavily. Tight third street strategy and always drawing live are keys to success in this game, and the latter is much more important than the former.