Float On (sh) (3/6)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Full Tilt 3/6 NLHE (4-handed)SB $1550Cobalt $748Cobalt is CO w/ 8 6 . I've been pretty TAG and villain has been somewhat LAG.Pre-flop:1 fold, Cobalt raises to $20, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 foldFlop ($46): K 7 K (2 players)BB checks, Cobalt bets $23, SB raises to $88, Cobalt callsI realize this is semi-fancy and read dependent. I always hesitate to outline my thinking before y'all respond, but I suppose it's important here. Basically, I felt that he was almost never check-raising in this spot with trip kings. If he had a good king, he would've repopped pre-flop. Therefore, his most likely holdings are middle pairs, air, or flush draws. Now I'll very often go ahead and repop here on the flop when I don't suspect my opponent of having the monster they're repping, but in thinking several levels deep, I felt a call would more adequately represent trip kings or better. I'd then evaluate the action on the turn.Probably not necessary, but it appeared to be a decent spot for it.

[Merby 3]

Full Tilt 3/6 NLHE (4-handed)SB ($946.95)BB ($468)Cobalt ($748)Button ($599.25)Cobalt is UTG with 8 6 . I've been pretty TAG and villain has been somewhat LAG.Pre-flop:1 fold, Cobalt raises to $20, 1 fold, BB calls $17Flop ($43): K 7 K (2 players)BB checks, Cobalt bets $23, BB raises to $88, Cobalt callsI realize this is semi-fancy and read dependent. I always hesitate to outline my thinking before y'all respond, but I suppose it's important here. Basically, I felt that he was almost never check-raising in this spot with trip kings. If he had a good king, he would've repopped pre-flop. Therefore, his most likely holdings are middle pairs, air, or flush draws. Now I'll very often go ahead and repop here on the flop when I don't suspect my opponent of having the monster they're repping, but in thinking several levels deep, I felt a call would more adequately represent trip kings or better. I'd then evaluate the action on the turn.Probably not necessary, but it appeared to be a decent spot for it.

If you're confident in this read, then this is a good spot for a float.***EDIT***Actually, I'm switching my opinion after double-checking stack sizes. The BB has put in almost 25% of his stack by now and will be first to act on the turn. I am concerned that he will make a turn bet that --in his mind-- commits himself to the pot. I would prefer this play if you both had over $600...

[holymackeral 0]

Actually, I'm switching my opinion after double-checking stack sizes. The BB has put in almost 25% of his stack by now and will be first to act on the turn. I am concerned that he will make a turn bet that --in his mind-- commits himself to the pot. I would prefer this play if you both had over $600...

I agree, i'd just give up the pot in this situation. Your probably thinking about 2 levels above where you should be anyways, but I could be mistaken. He'll probably just pot commit himself on the turn with a flush draw.

[CobaltBlue 662]

***EDIT***Actually, I'm switching my opinion after double-checking stack sizes. The BB has put in almost 25% of his stack by now and will be first to act on the turn. I am concerned that he will make a turn bet that --in his mind-- commits himself to the pot. I would prefer this play if you both had over $600...

Argh. Excellent points. However, the stack sizes/positions were messed up. That's what I get for trying to use the converter instead of doing it manually. Stack sizes fixed now.

[NoBBiR 0]

With correct stack sizes, I agree that flat calling best represents trip kings. As long as you are have a fairly good gameplan for the turn, I like this play. If he checks, what do you do? If he bets 1/2 the pot what do you do? If he bets the pot what do you do? If he check raises what do you do?

[mtdesmoines 2]

.....I realize this is semi-fancy and read dependent. .......... If he had a good king, he would've repopped pre-flop. .......... Therefore, his most likely holdings are middle pairs, air, or flush draws...........Probably not necessary, but it appeared to be a decent spot for it.

Hmmm ... what if he has a bad king? Personally, I have never been successful getting fancy with high paired boards and callers. You can do this with PF raises and middle-paired boards. People tend to ignore low-paired boards if there was a PF raise. And they tend to give credit to unraised PF hands and big bets and CRs from blinds in low paired boards. I don't know if your spot is as decent as I'd like to have it. Personally, if I'm you, I took a shot, and I'm ready to abort the hand unless the turn gives me some sort of draw.

[NoSup4U 0]

Can you play some 6 handed tables so I am experienced enough to comment on some hands?kthx,Mark

[David_Nicoson 1]

I love every Cobalt post. My image is TAG. Now, here I am playing 8-high in a huge pot . . .But yeah, flat call says king better than a flop reraise.

[Lavitz 0]

I have a feeling if he has something like a flush draw he'll be betting turn hard and calling a push, being well priced in. Then we're really screwed. Kinda like when you check raised me with the flush draw and had to call my push in that 3 bet pot the other day at 3/6 on a paired board.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Just fold. I'd imagine ur 3-betting a lot more hands here because of the flush draw so its harder to rep trip Ks. If it was KK7r it would be ok imo.

[Lavitz 0]

Just fold. I'd imagine ur 3-betting a lot more hands here because of the flush draw so its harder to rep trip Ks. If it was KK7r it would be ok imo.

I agree with this.

[simo_8ball 1]

I'd play it the same. I lose a lot of money playing hands in this way though.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Before I do something like this, I wanna know if he's gonna fire again if he has a flush draw. I'd also wanna know how he's gonna react with K8o here. I know that a lot of players are gonna check-call you down (even stack off) with trips and a weak kicker here. If the answers to those questions are what you wanna hear, then I like the play.If the turn blanks and he checks, are you firing or checking to wait and make sure the flush misses?

[mtdesmoines 2]

Before I do something like this, I wanna know if he's gonna fire again if he has a flush draw. I'd also wanna know how he's gonna react with K8o here. I know that a lot of players are gonna check-call you down (even stack off)

I love this about the game. Apparent player logic: "I can't push my weak king, but I can call an all in with it."LOL

[Acid_Knight 2]

Apparent player logic: "I can't push my weak king, but I can call an all in with it."

But what if my opponent is bluffing?

[mtdesmoines 2]

But what if my opponent is bluffing?

What moron bluffs into a paired board? Oh.

[Lavitz 0]

I love this about the game. Apparent player logic: "I can't push my weak king, but I can call an all in with it."LOL

That's actually a good logic for situations just like this. OP is making a move and villian won't get any action if he pushes his weak king but can get OP to bluff off a lot of chips by just taking the passive line.

[CobaltBlue 662]

If he checks, what do you do? If he bets 1/2 the pot what do you do? If he bets the pot what do you do? If he check raises what do you do?

If he checks the turn, I'm almost always betting. (I have 8-high.) If he check-raises again, I'm almost always dumping unless I've picked up a monster draw of some sort. If he 1/2pot bets the turn, I'm raising quite frequently...though I'd obviously be more comfortable if I pick up something resembling a draw.

I love every Cobalt post. My image is TAG. Now, here I am playing 8-high in a huge pot . . .

I aim to please. The problem is that my nit hands aren't typically nearly as interesting as the ones where I step out a little. =)

Kinda like when you check raised me with the flush draw and had to call my push in that 3 bet pot the other day at 3/6 on a paired board.

...when was this?I also agree that if the flush draw isn't present, it makes this spot much better.

[simo_8ball 1]

...unless I've picked up a monster draw of some sort.

This is what I quite like about your hand. You have a 3-straight and a 3-flush, so you can pick up a lot of draws on the turn.

[Acid_Knight 2]

This is what I quite like about your hand. You have a 3-straight and a 3-flush, so you can pick up a lot of draws on the turn.

Let's not pretend that there's value in his hand here :)We don't wanna start checking behind on the turn when it's the 5s becuase we've picked up a "monster draw" when we were supposed to be repping trips.

[simo_8ball 1]

Let's not pretend that there's value in his hand here :)We don't wanna start checking behind on the turn when it's the 5s becuase we've picked up a "monster draw" when we were supposed to be repping trips.

Not suggesting we check behind on a nice turn card, just saying that it's better to have something like a 7% chance to make a straight or a flush rather than 0%.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Not suggesting we check behind on a nice turn card, just saying that it's better to have something like a 7% chance to make a straight or a flush rather than 0%.

In principle I agree 100% but from a practical standpoint, when I am running some kind of multistreet bluff like this one, I often prefer my hand to be as hopeless as possible so that I don't accidentally make 2nd pair on the river and pus$y out becuase I think I might have the best hand when all logic dictates that I don't. It's the same reason that I open fold in a multiway pot with 35s when the flop comes down AKJ rainbow (none of my suit) becuase I don't want to think I sense weakness and get myself into trouble.

[Lavitz 0]

...when was this?

I think a few days or a week ago. I was against a TAG at a Full Tilt 3/6NL 6 max table with a name strikingly similar to yours. I'm assuming it was you. Correct me if I'm wrong.I had QQ and you had Q10s and I think it was the third time I 3 bet you in the past 10 minutes.

[CobaltBlue 662]

I think a few days or a week ago. I was against a TAG at a Full Tilt 3/6NL 6 max table with a name strikingly similar to yours. I'm assuming it was you. Correct me if I'm wrong.I had QQ and you had Q10s and I think it was the third time I 3 bet you in the past 10 minutes.

Ah, yes...that was you. Yeah, I was getting a little annoyed with the 3-bets (not just from you, but from others also). I was calling and constantly missing, so I was somewhat determined to play back if I picked up anything reasonable. You'd 3-bet frequently enough that I felt you could easily be holding a biggish ace, medium pair, or air...so when I flopped the flush draw with two overs, I planned to go with it. Unfortunately, you had me in about as bad of shape as possible...though I guess I still had 9 outs twice...which was enough to go with at that point.