DonkSlayer 1 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 No read on villain.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG+1 ($74.20)MP1 ($19)MP2 ($69.75)MP3 ($214.05)CO ($105.20)Button ($60.45)SB ($99)DonkSlayer ($69.05)UTG ($114.55)Preflop: DonkSlayer is BB with K, J. 2 folds, MP1 calls $1, 4 folds, SB completes, DonkSlayer checks.Flop: ($3) A, 2, T(3 players)SB checks, DonkSlayer bets $3, MP1 calls $3, SB folds.Turn: ($9) Q(2 players)DonkSlayer checks, MP1 checks.River: ($9) 3(2 players)DonkSlayer checksI'm sure you could say "bet the turn" but at least justify it considering the villain's range. Link to post Share on other sites
profxavier9 0 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 What are you angry about? how about checking the flop. Betting the turn isnt even an issue you have nothing, and its obvious buddy has ace no kicker, or a diamond draw that hitedit-Nevermind all that.^^^^ i obviously am incapable of reading. Link to post Share on other sites
uncooper 1 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 What are you angry about? how about checking the flop. Betting the turn isnt even an issue you have nothing, and its obvious buddy has ace no kicker, or a diamond draw that hitHero made a ten to ace straight on the turn.Villain is calling your flop bet with ace rag or a diamond draw a lot, you need to keep charging him for diamonds and allow him to make the mistake of calling more bets with that ace-rag.Unfortunately, turn bet or not, villain is going to bet this river almost 100% of the time when checked to, and you are gonna have a tough time avoiding paying off his flush. Link to post Share on other sites
sabes99 0 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 i raise pf to try to win this pot, you will have the best hand often and be able to take the lead in the handthat flop hits a lot of hands there, so i would probably check and look to get a free oneonce you've bet the flop, i think betting the turn is close to automatic, checking looks very suspicious on that board after leading the flopand you should get a value bet in on the river, if he raises then you can re-evaluate Link to post Share on other sites
sholden 0 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 What are you angry about? how about checking the flop. Betting the turn isnt even an issue you have nothing, and its obvious buddy has ace no kicker, or a diamond draw that hitThe nuts, nothing... no difference I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I'm sure you could say "bet the turn" but at least justify it considering the villain's range. No read on villain.These two quotes appear contradictory. I must admit, I'm confused. Did the villian make a huge overbet on the river that you accidentally deleted? Or are you cursing over the fact that you missed a turn bet (which you acknowledge)... Link to post Share on other sites
Lavitz 0 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Seems a little butchered This is an easy turn raise. It has nothing to do with his range rather board texture. Whatever he called on the flop with he still has and is probably willing to call another bet with. That turn probably didn't scare him away. He still has his ace/flush draw/bottom set/whatever and will be calling a reasonable bet. I really dont like betting this flop against a limper. We have a gutshot and we're OOP.Really have to bet turn.And since we played it so weak make a river value bet and expect to get looked up with basically anything. If he raises river then reevaluate. Obviously flush hit but you played it so passive he might be raising a hand like 2 pair or bottom set thinking its for value. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 not betting the turn is really bad considering you lead the flop..lead the turn, hope someone makes a mistake with top pair...only thing you do by checking is give a free card. get money in the pot...sigh- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 get money in the pot...sigh- JordanWhat a drama queen. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Obv bet the turn, if he has a draw make him pay because if he misses you get no money on the river. As played lead the river and call a shove, he's pretty short. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 not betting the turn is really bad considering you lead the flop..lead the turn, hope someone makes a mistake with top pair...only thing you do by checking is give a free card. get money in the pot...sigh- JordanRight on. We've so misrepresented our hand by the turn, that we can get this straight paid off a good deal of the time. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 not betting the turn is really bad considering you lead the flop..lead the turn, hope someone makes a mistake with top pair...only thing you do by checking is give a free card. get money in the pot...sigh- Jordanyep, our hero outplayed himself here Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted July 8, 2007 Author Share Posted July 8, 2007 I dunno, I just really thought short of some bunk 10x calling my flop bet, that I would get played at on the turn if I checked. Fck. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 The turn bet is 100%+. Given his range (which is probably a diamond draw, top pair, or some other draw) you have to bet. When you back into the nuts with a bet on that flop (which I don't know why you bothered) you have to keep up the action. Get him to pay you for drawing, and get him to pay you with his ace. Either way, you have to bet. If he has an ace no kicker, and didn't believe you on the flop, he's not going to believe you on the turn, so pump it up. Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Lead turn, lead river. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Raising pre-flop is potentially spewy. Also, I don't know why everyone hates betting this flop. Yeah, people love to open limp rag aces, but they also open-limp middle connectors and small pairs. A lot of hands that have us beat will fold...if they don't, we've got an okay hand.DS, bet the turn without a read. If you've got a read, you can sometimes check in that spot. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 Bet the turn :)The villain's range includes Ax, diamond draws, possibly heart draws and maybe even Tx or 2 broadway cards (which now have a pair and straight draw) and he will probably pay for a river card with all but the Tx hands. Link to post Share on other sites
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