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Late morning, noonish game on a Sunday at Bellagio.Villain (LP) in this hand is a nit.I have 3 :club: 6 :D in the SB.There's like 6 limpers, I complete. BB checks.Flop is 4 :D 7 :D Q :spade:I check, BB checks, Naismith (NL donkey from NL forum) bets, few folds, LP raises, I 3-bet, BB folds, Naismith folds, LP 4-bets, I 5-bet (thinking it's a cap), LP 6-bets...I puke and call down barring another spade hitting?I puke and call down unless the board pairs?I puke and always call down?I puke, tear the cards up and throw them at the dealer and get kicked out?Which of these options are best?Seriously, this is not a bad beat post, but online, I can't fold this. Villain in this hand may well have turned her cards face up. Can I fold it then?

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Villain (LP) in this hand is a nit.
I call down, given your previous experience. What's her range? Two pair? AsQ? Set? Higher flush? Putting in the 6th bet on the flop... Damn.I still call down. Worst case scenario, you have 1 out. :club:
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I thought there was only no cap when the street started heads up? I would call down.
This is what I thought, and why I 5-bet. (It's a 5-bet cap in Vegas)
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This is what I thought, and why I 5-bet. (It's a 5-bet cap in Vegas)
Yeah I was there a few weeks ago, although I had two dealers at Belagio who didn't know what they were doing. They didn't make new players post, forgot to move the button etc.
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One dealer refused to deal me in because I mucked my cards too far.Floor!He then got in an argument with a second player, I have no idea why, but I obviously backed the player up, and then he got pushed by a new dealer and he was yelling as they escorted the dealer out.Good times.I'm not a fan of the Bellagio. 8/16 game is retardedly soft though.

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you can't get serious strategy responses on hands like this,you don't have odds to call down if she has a higher flush. (unless she pays of your strt flush hugely)Apply math and determine how often she needs a set or worse flush.

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Against some opponents folding could be a slight mistake. Against others calling down could be a big mistake. On balance I think folding is fine. Especially against a nit.

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You're beat with one out. Fold.The Bellagio is an angry place. I think the cramped space causes a chain reaction of grumpiness when people bump into each other.

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How often am I ahead here?
Better to ask:What mixes of Villain havingNo outs4 outs10 outsHigher flushSomething else I forgotWill justify me calling down, presuming I can make X more BB if I hit a Royal and will not fold if it pairs, unless I deduce that it's never a lower flush...Etc.Who knows how often you are ahead. Anywher from 1/80 to 1/5 times.
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Depends on how much you think he would push a draw or set. Totally read dependent.If I go straight by the numbers:He either has a set a flush, or the nut flush draw. Unless you think he is a complete and absolute moron that is going to battle with a straight draw or two pair. a Set gives him 7 outs. Nut flush draw gives him 8 outs. A flush gives you only one out.Out of these three possibilities, he is going to have the flush about 46% of the time. But the other 55% of the time he is going to have approximately 7.5 outs, or 30% chance to draw out. This You pot odds to show down will be something like 5.5-6:1 at this point ($40 to call down to net ~$230). And you are something like 38% to win. I would call down.However, people rarely play made flushes and draws the same way. If I assume that he is far less likely to push a draw and lets say he has a flush 75% of the time and is drawing only 25% of the time, then you are only like 17% to win. Now the decision is very close. I would call down unless another flush card comes or the board pairs.If you don't think he would push a draw versus you anywhere near 20% of the time, it is an automatic fold for me. If you think he is a maniac and could be pushing even more draws even more often, then it is an automatic call down.I doubt this helped you much, you've got to go with your read on the player here I think.

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With my read, I need to fold then.I think this is a flush like 95% of the time, lol.Bad call down, but folding a flopped flush seemed unthinkable.
haha... heads-up preflop... absolutely.8-way preflop not so unthinkable.
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So... what are you saying?What would be your play if a tight little old lady played the flop the way she did?
I"m saying do the math based on your read and how you distribute the hands.Like you say, it's a fold then.Back to the flop.... Are you usually ahead when she 4 bets?
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It's possible, but I highly doubt it.I think there's one flush lower than mine, and I doubt she'd play it.I should probably call down from the 4-bet if I want to call down.

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Question: What line do you take if you're the higher flush (let's say nut flush for simplicity) and want to extract the most value out of this hand from lower flopped flushes? Assume same positions (nut flush has position).Call 3 bet on flop, raise turn? (assume a blank turn)

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We were the ones who 3-bet on the flop. With the nuts I may just call the 4th bet and c/r the turn. I have another hypothetical situation for you guys. Ive been looking for a spot to use this line on for a while now since reading about it in the LHE section of SuperSystem 2 and want to hear you guys take on it. Say we check this flop and BB bets and gets 4 or 5 callers what do you think about just calling to see if another spade comes down on the turn before putting in anymore action? Or is this just wasting way way way too much value?

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IMO.
yeahif it was HU or maaaaybe 3 handed, we could think of waiting to the turnbut, really, it depends on your opponents.
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The way its explained in the book Harman says to do it against a large field where you have little chance to fold anyone out so that if a spade comes on 4th you can be 100% sure that your dead, but I cant imagine not trapping all those people for bets and making a huge pot. I love big pots. So the way Jen talks about is that you shouldnt do it headsup or 3 handed just because you cant be so sure someone has a higher spade.

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