Qq Facing An All-in On Turn

[sixhands 0]

LIVE 1 / 2 No Limit – I have only included the stack sizes for the 2 people I was playing against and myself. I apologise in advance if I have missed any details in the formatting. I tried to follow Zach's rules as closely as I could :PHERO ($420)UTG ($)UTG+1 ($)MP1 ($270)MP2 ($)CO ($)Button ($55)SB ($)Preflop: Hero is BB with Qc Qs 2 calls, Button raises to $16, 1 fold, Hero raises to $35, 1 fold, MP1 calls $35, Button goes all-in for $55 total, Hero calls $20, MP1 calls $20.Flop: ($168) Qd 8c As (2 players, 1 All-in)Hero bets $60, MP1 calls $60.Turn: ($288) Jc (2 players, 1 All-in)Hero checks, MP1 bets $155 and is all-in, Hero ????My thoughts as I was playing.Pre-flop: No read on MP1 (he sat down about 10 minutes before this) but my raise was intended to isolate the button as he was playing aggressively, raising every button and always throwing in a C bet. I was the reason he was down to $55 and I thought he was on tilt. I was going to raise over the top of button's all-in but at this point I wanted to wait until the flop to get a better idea of where I was against MP1. I was not worried about the button's hand at all.Flop: I was feeling pretty good about the flop. When MP1 cold called my bet I put him on a big A or even top two pair. I did not put him on AA at all, surely he would have re-raised pre-flop right?Turn: My intention was to check-raise LOL.Your thoughts on this hand would be greatly appreciated.

[donk4life 34]

That's an interesting play...You show strength the whole hand, then on the turn, you want to slow down hoping that he bets so you can speed up again?Bet the turn....As played, call, if he has king 10 then you better pair the board on the river, but this could very easily be AJ..Edit: No way this is king 10 with the preflop action...

[rdtedm 0]

Make the call here, we've got the 3rd nuts and good odds to do so. This looks a lot like AQ/AJ, but I'm not sure if villain is one who would call that many bets PF with a hand like that. This could be a trickily played AA, but I think with that much action PF that villain would just push before the flop came (with AA). I think you're ahead here.

[fckthis 0]

insta call. If he has AA...well....im sorry, but you weren't laying this down anyways.

[coremiller 0]

i'd usually re-raise more pre-flop but that's not a huge deal.bet more on the flop. you have the second nuts and should be trying to get all-in on the flop. i think around 2/3 of the pot is probably good.bet the turn. you don't want to give free cards or lose value here, and he's probably going to call your bet, given his remaining stack.as played, call the turn. i doubt he has K-10 (the previous action would make no sense). if he has passively played aces you pay it off. this looks like some 2-pair combination to me (AQ/AJ/QJ).

[Footballguru 0]

insta call. If he has AA...well....im sorry, but you weren't laying this down anyways.

qft

[Mercury69 3]

I'm reading the all-in as an isolation and putting the guy on a strong A, possibly A8 (higly likely) or AQ (highly unlikely, as 3 Q's are accounted for) for two pair. I think your set of Q's is usually good here, so I'd be calling this all day long. It's possible he has 2 Clubs for a flush draw or a possible str8 draw, but you have several redraws to a boat.Sure, he could have AA, but he didn't re-raise preflop and was willing to go 3 way.Likely holdings: AK, A8, a couple of high clubs (KQ, QJ)

[sabes99 0]

i don't like the size of your initial re-raise pre-flop first of all, you made almost a min-raise, i would pump it to something in the $50 rangealso, when the button shoves i move all-in back over the top and shut the third player out of this hand, no reason to risk being outdrawn herei think the flop bet is an interesting play, and once you get called and check the turn, i just don't see a way to fold it

[whiterice714 0]

you aren't folding... if you meant to CR him on the turn, well, then, he did it for you w/ that bet...beat him into the pot

[project240 0]

Easy call. You checked to induce a bet... If you happen to run into AA, oh well, but more times than not this is A-J or A-Xc. Given preflop K-10 is very unlikely,but given the skill of most SS live players, I guess it is possible.

[Merby 3]

Edit: No way this is king 10 with the preflop action...

Clearly you haven't been to the Boulevard or River Rock casinos yet. I've seen KT stick around, but not likely, given the flop play.Since you cannot (realstically) put your opponent on KT (or 9T) there are only two possibilities:(1) he has AA for top set. In this case it is the classic set-over-set. You are waay behind, but it is difficult to fold.(2) he does not have AA. In this case you were ahead on the flop and the turn card did not make his hand better than yours (it may have improved him by giving him aces up, or maybe Ac Kc for top pair and a flush draw). It doesn't matter, regardless of whether the turn improved his hand, you are still ahead of all realistic holdings here (having already discussed KT and 9T, although these hands are possible, they are *highly* unlikely, given the action in the hand)Case (1) puts you waay behind, but there are only three possible ways for him to have aces (given that there are only 3 aces unacccounted in the deck)Case (2) puts you ahead (possibly waay ahead if he has 88 or (unlikely JJ)). There are a *lot* of possible hands here. For example: AcKc, AQ, 88, A8 (unlikely), KK (unlikely), JJ (unlikely).Depending on your opponent's playing style, you may be able to limit his possible holdings in caregory (2). Perhaps you know that he would fold KK and JJ to a flop bet when there is an ace, or perhaps he wouldn't call A8 pre-flop. In any case, the bottom line is the same:You callIf he flips over AA, then it's a cooler (I just can't release here given the range of hands I put him on).If he flips over 9T or KT, then it's a bad beat, and a useful nugget of information (he calls light pre-flop and on the flop when likely playing for stacks)If he flips over anything else, then your call was spot on, and it does not matter (decision-wise) what happens on the river.Cheers,Merby***EDIT*** I've just read the other responses, and let me say that I like how you played the hand on all streets. You've managed to get the hand heads-up for a side pot going to the flop. I don't mind reraising pre-flop (because you're OOP with QQ) making it ~$100-to-go lets the MP1 know his entire stack is at risk if he calls (he should be expecting a flop push from you). On the other hand, as I said, I like the call here, too.On the flop, the side pot is dry, and the only draws are gutshots. Bet enough to price out the gutshots ($60 is fine) but keep it small enough to trap big aces in the hand with you... after all, we flopped a set, and want to maximize. Just note that if he calls, you are prepared to play for stacks (as I said before, if he has AA then tough luck). With that in mind, I plan to push the turn *regardless* of what comes down. Since we priced out the gutshots, the only two cards that may change you from being waay ahead to waay behind is an 8 or an A, but you cannot dwell on him having the other two 8's. An ace is stickier (if he had A8 or AQ), although I can't see me folding to an ace and a bet. Thus you are pushing *any* turn card here for maximum pressure.Another way to play the turn is to check to him if you have seen him be a habitual floater or aggressive post-flop player. Your check is only because you want to give him an opportunity to hang himself with a bet. If you think there is a chance he won't bet when you check, then don't check to him, just push into him on the turn.Why? Well although there is no *one* card that is a significant scare card, there are a lot of two-card combos that could put us behind his reasonable holdings. For example, two broadway cards on the turn and river (such as J, T) would put a 4-card straight out there where a realistic AK just caught perfect-perfect to beat your set. So only check the turn if you expect him to bet. Then raise him (or call him if his bet is allin).

[NoBBiR 0]

If he has AA, that's what we call a cooler, and it's going to happen fairly often in NLHE so you better get used to it. Folding a set, especially on that draw heavy and overcarded board is never a correct play. The only way you can fold is if the guy turns over Aces or K10. Set over set is scary, but so is the prospect of folding a set here.

[Snamuh 0]

Insta-call. This isn't even close.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Insta-call. This isn't even close.

And we have outs in case the villain has K10. Although I don't think either is likely (much more an AQ/AJ), I would be more surprised to see AA here than K10.

[simo_8ball 0]

I apologise in advance if I have missed any details in the formatting. I tried to follow Zach's rules as closely as I could

You guys are all so whipped.Oh, and set over set sucks, but it happens. Deal with it. If you never fold a set in this kind of situation you won't be giving up much in the long run.

[mtdesmoines 3]

What's the question?Of course you put your money in. Duh.

[shinzilla 0]

Yeah, it's an insta-call in my mind. The only realistic hand he could have that beats you is AA, and most villains would show more strength with that pf. I don't know what I think about going for the check raise on the turn; I think making that decision depends strongly on how aggressive your opponent is. But since it worked, call! Have no fear. You crush his range. If he has AA or K10, well, good game. IMO, I think villain has 88. When people cold call like that pf, it's usually a middle pocket pair of some sort.

[kingdbag 0]

9 times out of 10 this is a play when someone has 2 pair A-Q or a set 8-8 in this case. I like your play except for the check on 4th you have to bet there in my opinion. But yea, this is pretty much a call unless for some strange reason you know this person has aces and still... thats a tough lay down... I'm not sure I could get away from that hand, short of the person showing me his cards.

[David_Nicoson 1]

I'm going to reraise this preflop after the button pushes. If MP1 flat called twice with KK or AA, he gets my money. If he has AK, we'd like him to fold and another raise certainly puts a lot of pressure on him. And if he calls, that's not a bad situation.If he has a smaller pair or worse, then our flat call just gives him a free look at a flop. If he outflops us, we're probably getting stacked.So, in total, we have the likely best hand which we can raise for value, a chance to knock out a hand that's a near coin-flip against us, and a chance to negate our positional disadvantage by getting the money in now. I feel like the line after the flop is unnecessarily tricky. If he has an ace, we're getting all the money. If he doesn't, we get the current pot. If he has AA, we're getting stacked. As played, I don't think there's any question that we call the turn.