Fps River Shovel

[NoSup4U 0]

What do you think? He has to have like JJ/TT here right? (he took a while to call the flop)PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownUTG ($268.05)MP ($468)CO ($1080.60)Button ($230.70)NoSup4U ($622)BB ($202.10)Preflop: NoSup4U is SB with Q, A. 2 folds, CO raises to $21, 1 fold, NoSup4U raises to $102, 1 fold, CO calls $81.Flop: ($210) 3, K, 5(2 players)NoSup4U bets $170, CO calls $170.Turn: ($550) 9(2 players)NoSup4U bets $350 (All-In)Mark

[cwik 0]

eh, the play is almost 100% read oriented.but just for the record, I don't see much value for the villain to reraise the flop with AK.edit: infact any K.

[NoBBiR 0]

Seems like a bit of a spew. If he doesn't have JJ/1010, you = gged.

[Snamuh 0]

Seems like a bit of a spew. If he doesn't have JJ/1010, you = gged.

Yeah. Would he reraise AK on that flop? You can probably get away with this a lot though, as you are representing a big hand.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Your bet sizing is pretty bad for this play since ur left with so little on the turn.Id say your 3-bet is overly large here preflop and as played on such a dry flop if you intend to fire twice your flop bet should be smaller given stack sizes. 130 into 210 works fine as a cbet (board is soooooooooo dry) and sets you up to shove 390 into 470 on the turn instead of 350 into 550.

[mtdesmoines 2]

What do you think? He has to have like JJ/TT here right? (he took a while to call the flop)

I don't see him laying down anything he called PF and flop with. I check muck ... I don't see the opening here to push off the villain. I don't really bank a lot on the time it takes for a player to act online. Maybe he went to the fridge and came back just in time to click "call" with his KK.

[CBass1724 1]

That was a donk push. At least you know if he calls you are beat. Maybe a slow play of AA? Hopefully he has JJ/TT and lays it down but who knows. He probably called you with 66-99.

[Zach6668 513]

Who goes to the fridge in the middle of a big hand with KK?

[mtdesmoines 2]

Who goes to the fridge in the middle of a big hand with KK?

Oh. "He took a while to call the flop." I thought he meant preflop. Besides, it's just kings. I like T8 suited MUCH better.

[Lavitz 0]

Isn't this a "turn shovel" not a river shovel? As for hand, very read dependent. Mostly comes down to how often he floats a hand like an underpair or air here. The thing that sucks is if we get called with a hand like AK then we're drawing dead.

[No_Neck 0]

Isn't this a "turn shovel" not a river shovel? As for hand, very read dependent. Mostly comes down to how often he floats a hand like an underpair or air here. The thing that sucks is if we get called with a hand like AK then we're drawing dead.

yeah I was going to tell him the river is this 5th card. I dunno how we are going to give you reasonable advice on this hand. he lays down most hands.... probably unless you have been lagtarding it up. The only problem is he is getting a good price on a call...I think he looked you up with 66

[CobaltBlue 662]

130 into 210 works fine as a cbet (board is soooooooooo dry) and sets you up to shove 390 into 470 on the turn instead of 350 into 550.

Agree.

[NoSup4U 0]

I normally don't 3bet so large. This was during a session with Samo and we'd just talked about 3betting larger, and he felt like that was a good size. But I totally agree, I think it would have been nice to have more to shove in, but still, he's calling off 60% of a buyin here, so its not chump change either. I'm trying to get a handle on pot sizing now with larger 3bet sizes. Maybe I bet smaller on the flop. I just wasn't planning the turn shove. But then it became clear to me he had a hand like jacks when he had to think so much on the flop.Yeah, I meant the turn not the river shovel. My brain not working lately.Mark

[navybuttons 16]

I normally don't 3bet so large. This was during a session with Samo and we'd just talked about 3betting larger.

3-betting large with all 3-betting hands, or larger with hands like KJ and AQ and slightly less w/ premium pairs? obv. TT and JJ are the same hand here, and i think it's a pretty easy call considering your he's getting such a good price against your range here. also perhaps too liberally i assume that sizes as such those hands in the top of the range (AA, KK, AK) would check the turn looking to get more action often enough that the turn call can't be terrible.if i was gonna shove the turn i'd rather have 7 2 this game is kind of fun to think about, maybe i'll come arond here more.