cubsfan44 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 A hand my brother played. told him Id post it for himmy advice was call. smells like a busted flush draw to me.....your thoughtsedit**im a bit drunk the flush draw got theredirectly from his email I normally raise this on the flop, but I tried to lay a trap. Bad fold?... check behind turn?.. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($262.90)SB ($139.90)BB ($98)UTG ($119.25)MP ($100)CO ($215.40)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, A. 1 fold, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, MP calls $3.Flop: ($9.50) 5, Q, 3(2 players)MP bets $6, Hero calls $6.Turn: ($21.50) 4(2 players)MP checks, Hero bets $12, MP raises to $37, Hero calls $25.River: ($95.50) 4(2 players)(dont know why this didnt convert) villian raises all in for $53 thoughFinal Pot: $95.50 Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Well, to me, it looks like you're not beating anything at all. Fold itttttttttttttt. Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 if you're going to call the flop, take the free draw to the nuts and check behind on the turn.no value in betting the turn here. an obvious draw completed and it looks like you might have hit it since you just flat called the flop. any hand that you're beating right now is folding to a bet, whereas any hand that's ahead is either flat calling or suckering you into a check-raise after hitting their draw.if the river comes a blank and he bets, make a decision based on odds and the bet size, taking into consideration that you've improved the chances of picking off a bluff here by showing no strength throughout the hand.as played, fold the river. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 uhh.....huge question. Why did he check the flop? 'laying a trap' on that board isn't the play imo. Definitely check turn/lets you call river, then you could call a manageable bet on the river.And your opinion: busted flush draw?? Uh... flush draw got there plus your bro has the naked ace of clubs meaning villian wasn't looking for a 4th club. So villian would have to have q k w/ k of clubs. Which is feasible but definitely not the line I'm getting on the hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Kid DynOmite 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 if you're going to call the flop, take the free draw to the nuts and check behind on the turn.no value in betting the turn here. an obvious draw completed and it looks like you might have hit it since you just flat called the flop. any hand that you're beating right now is folding to a bet, whereas any hand that's ahead is either flat calling or suckering you into a check-raise after hitting their draw.if the river comes a blank and he bets, make a decision based on odds and the bet size, taking into consideration that you've improved the chances of picking off a bluff here by showing no strength throughout the hand.as played, fold the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Craigdog 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 as played fold the river, however a simple check on the turn could have been acceptable as he could have made a flush or straight.. Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Author Share Posted June 27, 2007 uhh.....huge question. Why did he check the flop? 'laying a trap' on that board isn't the play imo. Definitely check turn/lets you call river, then you could call a manageable bet on the river.And your opinion: busted flush draw?? Uh... flush draw got there plus your bro has the naked ace of clubs meaning villian wasn't looking for a 4th club. So villian would have to have q k w/ k of clubs. Which is feasible but definitely not the line I'm getting on the hand.you really should reread the op Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 you really should reread the opWhat was wrong with his analysis instead except that he said "check" the flop instead of "call" the flop? Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted June 27, 2007 Author Share Posted June 27, 2007 What was wrong with his analysis instead except that he said "check" the flop instead of "call" the flop?He said why would he check that flop?......top of my post says "Normally I would bet this flop but I decided to try and trap"then he says my anaylsis of the hand is busted flush draw, but the flush draw got there......right under where I say it smells like a busted FD I edit and say the flush draw got there. Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 uhh.....huge question. Why did he check the flop? 'laying a trap' on that board isn't the play imo. Definitely check turn/lets you call river, then you could call a manageable bet on the river.And your opinion: busted flush draw?? Uh... flush draw got there plus your bro has the naked ace of clubs meaning villian wasn't looking for a 4th club. So villian would have to have q k w/ k of clubs. Which is feasible but definitely not the line I'm getting on the hand.he can't "check the flop"hero's on the button...*EDIT*ok i see this was addressed-- lolzdisregard... rest of post still stands*******IMOHORRIBLE FLAT CALL ON THE FLOP... test that tptk you took the lead preflop take it again on the flop... if you get reraised strongly consider folding...EVEN WORSE LEAD ON THE TURN... after the FD hits the turn & you're sittin w/ the nut draw, you should just take a free peak @ the river & if he fires, it likely wont be such a big bet & you can probably still call.. hell what if you make the nuts on the river & his dumb azz lookin for the CR on the turn calls you down / leads out w/ the K high?AS PLAYED - EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAASSSYYYYYYYYY INSTA-FOLD*AGAIN*I M O Link to post Share on other sites
pokerguy33 0 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Your bro setting a trap has been his demise in this hand. raise the flop, check behind on the turn. As played I'm probably folding this on the turn. By calling on the turn your pretty much expecting a bet on the river. You need to take in consideration what do you have beat on the turn that would fit his range? With no reads or any knowledge of the player like I said i'm folding this on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Sunny 0 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 It's usually a set or a flush draw on flop, raise flop to see where you are, and up against either you MUST check the turn to give yourself a chance to catch. Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Is shoving the turn bad? Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 i dont like shoving the turn at all...villian's already shown tremendous interest in this pot and absolutely no signs of going ANYWHERE...only shove the turn if you wanna stack em Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 did your brother call?wondering if the guy didn't have the 5c6c.... turned the low flush w/ OESFD i'd ahve played that hand like that @ least lolz... Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 He said why would he check that flop?......top of my post says "Normally I would bet this flop but I decided to try and trap"then he says my anaylsis of the hand is busted flush draw, but the flush draw got there......right under where I say it smells like a busted FD I edit and say the flush draw got there.Nit picking on little technicalities like that seems silly to me.You post the hand here and you should expect to receive questions about something like why you're only calling on the flop. What about this situation made you want to slowplay? These are legit questions. Link to post Share on other sites
whiterice714 0 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Nit picking on little technicalities like that seems silly to me.You post the hand here and you should expect to receive questions about something like why you're only calling on the flop. What about this situation made you want to slowplay? These are legit questions. +1 Link to post Share on other sites
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