Good Idea Or Suicide Squeeze?

[DillyDonka 0]

A new $1/2 NL table opens at my local B&M and no sooner before all ten players grab there seats does the deck hit me in the face. In the initial 15 hands I flop 3 sets, turn quads once after flopping one of those sets, flop broadway and make two nut flushes. I get my stack from $100 to $300 and some change quickly. Now here's is where I think I make a good play but I'll let you decide. A young TAG is on the button and I can tell already he can play as he outplayed me post flop a few hands earlier, when he fired 3 barrels with 6 high and I folded the river. He has opened six times already and seemed frustrated by me set mining him a few hands earlier. He proceeded to make his opening raises $17 twice after that and when I ask why so much he said "Well, I can't make you fold that small pair for $12 yadda yadda......" So after 3 limpers (2 old guys who were weak tight and a young kid who I have no read on) I hear the young TAG yapping to his neighbor that he's probably gonna raise because it's his button as I look down at the 'ol Phil Hellmuth (2 black nines for those needing help). So, instead of raising, I limp (I'm in the hijack, 2 to his right by the way). He sure enough makes it $17 on the button and I immediately think his range is huuuuge. Before it gets back to me we get three callers, The BB and the two old men who don't look happy about it, but I can tell they just want to play a hand because this kid has been driving the price of poker up and I have taken down half the pots already. I think for like 10 seconds and shove. He thinks for like 30 seconds and finally says call. Now needless to say I didn't want action and thought we were racing before he asked me if I had a pair. I said "Yes" and he said, "Well then you're crushed" and showed KK. His stack size was roughly $100 as were the other limp/callers(they all folded) and I just was looking to pick up the pot right there. Is this totally donkish or was it worth the shot of picking up the $80 already splashed out there?

[Lavitz 0]

I like it. His range, like you said, is massive. If he has been raising frequently then this is great. Even if he only folds half the time it's profitable because when he does call you're usually a coinflip. Although sometimes you'll be dominated (to 1010+), sometimes you'll be dominating (if he raises small PPs and decides to call). With all the limp/callers money in the pot on top of this and the fact he'll lay down 1010-JJ on occasion makes this +EV.

[linkwood 0]

A new $1/2 NL table opens at my local B&M and no sooner before all ten players grab there seats does the deck hit me in the face. In the initial 15 hands I flop 3 sets, turn quads once after flopping one of those sets, flop broadway and make two nut flushes. I get my stack from $100 to $300 and some change quickly. Now here's is where I think I make a good play but I'll let you decide. A young TAG is on the button and I can tell already he can play as he outplayed me post flop a few hands earlier, when he fired 3 barrels with 6 high and I folded the river. He has opened six times already and seemed frustrated by me set mining him a few hands earlier. He proceeded to make his opening raises $17 twice after that and when I ask why so much he said "Well, I can't make you fold that small pair for $12 yadda yadda......" So after 3 limpers (2 old guys who were weak tight and a young kid who I have no read on) I hear the young TAG yapping to his neighbor that he's probably gonna raise because it's his button as I look down at the 'ol Phil Hellmuth (2 black nines for those needing help). So, instead of raising, I limp (I'm in the hijack, 2 to his right by the way). He sure enough makes it $17 on the button and I immediately think his range is huuuuge. Before it gets back to me we get three callers, The BB and the two old men who don't look happy about it, but I can tell they just want to play a hand because this kid has been driving the price of poker up and I have taken down half the pots already. I think for like 10 seconds and shove. He thinks for like 30 seconds and finally says call. Now needless to say I didn't want action and thought we were racing before he asked me if I had a pair. I said "Yes" and he said, "Well then you're crushed" and showed KK. His stack size was roughly $100 as were the other limp/callers(they all folded) and I just was looking to pick up the pot right there. Is this totally donkish or was it worth the shot of picking up the $80 already splashed out there?

I like the play, except for the fact that you said he was a good player. Good players say they will raise blind, check to see if they have a good hand and then do it. I do it all the time in my games. Make it sound like you're a raving maniac or that you're steaming and trap some poor fool. When a player willingly gives you information you have to ask why they did it. If he's an idiot then its obvious. But if he's a smart player then there's usually more than meets the eye.

[Acid_Knight 2]

First, TAG players won't open half of the pots at the table, unless he was getting hit with the deck harder than you were.I don't mind the push, but it's really overkill. His stack would be helpful, but i think that this is a mistake. He's not likely to call you with a worse hand, so you're really turning your 99 into a bluff here. I think that I call and make some good decisions after the flop since there are already a lot of people in.

[Lavitz 0]

First, TAG players won't open half of the pots at the table, unless he was getting hit with the deck harder than you were.I don't mind the push, but it's really overkill. His stack would be helpful, but i think that this is a mistake. He's not likely to call you with a worse hand, so you're really turning your 99 into a bluff here. I think that I call and make some good decisions after the flop since there are already a lot of people in.

If we go heads up with 99 to a flop with plenty of people then we're playing mainly for set value, no?

[Acid_Knight 2]

If we go heads up with 99 to a flop with plenty of people then we're playing mainly for set value, no?

True. With a well populated pot though, it seems to be a solid investment.

[7s7c 0]

I've made a similar type of play before but there were a few variables involved that differed from your situation:1. The player was not good2. He was drunk and open-raising every pot app. 8-10X from every position3. He was to my immediate left 4. I did it with QQ which is much more likely to dominate the villain's holdings5. Really drunk and loud deep stacked players who are there to gamble will not laydown to a push such as this traditionally

[whiterice714 0]

it's been my personal experience that about roughly 95% of the time, if the guy on the button states that he's going to "raise simply because he's on the button" or "because 'the book' says to" then he's got a hand... at least 9s or better... or AK / AQsit seems they hollywood the whole "feign weakness when you're strong & vice versa" thing.. "oh my hand's garbage but i'm gonna raise cause i'm on the button"yeah... suuuuuuuuuuure buddy... two kings then, eh sir?personally i hate the push right here... i call & take a flop... if it comes Q A K you konw what to do ;]

[obizee 0]

First, TAG players won't open half of the pots at the table, unless he was getting hit with the deck harder than you were.

I was thinking same thing

[DillyDonka 0]

First, TAG players won't open half of the pots at the table, unless he was getting hit with the deck harder than you were.I don't mind the push, but it's really overkill. His stack would be helpful, but i think that this is a mistake. He's not likely to call you with a worse hand, so you're really turning your 99 into a bluff here. I think that I call and make some good decisions after the flop since there are already a lot of people in.

True. It seemed more LAG now that I think about it.

[Lavitz 0]

it's been my personal experience that about roughly 95% of the time, if the guy on the button states that he's going to "raise simply because he's on the button" or "because 'the book' says to" then he's got a hand... at least 9s or better... or AK / AQsit seems they hollywood the whole "feign weakness when you're strong & vice versa" thing.. "oh my hand's garbage but i'm gonna raise cause i'm on the button"yeah... suuuuuuuuuuure buddy... two kings then, eh sir?personally i hate the push right here... i call & take a flop... if it comes Q A K you konw what to do ;]

And what if the flop comes 222? Or 652? Etc etc.... When you're taking a flop with 5 people or so with 99 you turn a healthy starting hand into a set mining hand because if you play 99 like the nuts on a rags board against 5 people you'll be going to bustoland quickly.If he just told the guy next to him and wasn't making it obvious to the whole table or being loud then I really think he wasn't trying to illuminate weakness. If he has been raising liberally like OP stated then I'd say 80% of the time he has a marginal hand. Now if he made it obvious that he was raising "because it was his button" then yea I'd say it might be a tell.

[whiterice714 0]

arguments can be made either in favor or in dispute of the action that took place... usually when you tell the guy next to you, it IS pretty obvious to the rest of the table (IF THEY [like they should be] ARE PAYING ATTENTION) i can understand & support the all in.. and i can understand & dispute the all in... i personally dont usually like to leave it 100% up to the cards though, as alot of the time they end up fuccin me better than my last gf... i still understand where you're coming from... i'd say if it came 222 you're paying him off just as soon as you would have w/ the pre flop all in... at least if he had A K suited he's likely not gona call that flop where he's gonna call preflop like 80% of the time... idk, i know i'm not explaining my logic correctly here, it seems to make sense to me but i dont know how to put it in words... whatever i'm not that experienced anyways thanks for the constructive criticism - seriously