lunarphase 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 perhaps one of the weirdest scams of all time.i would love for someone to figure out the odds and expectations of the jackpot ever hitting. im guessing you'd have to play close to a couple million hands to hit this. and with the double rake plus AP taking another %, it would never be profitable to hitthoughts?We're kicking off the new game by placing a MASSIVE $100,000 in the pot.HOW IT WORKSLook for our new ‘Bad Beat Jackpot’ tables and watch our jackpot grow. We’ll collect $0.50 from the pot of each raked hand. The jackpot will keep growing until someone hits an unbelievable bad beat. <-------yay, AP taking another .50 from each hand if you choose to play these tablesWhat constitutes a bad beat? If you lose a hand holding Aces Full of Kings (AAAKK) or anything better, that’s a bad beat. But at these tables, your luck couldn’t be better.Thanks to your bad beat, everyone at the table will win a piece of the distributed jackpot. And you’ll take the majority of the prize.As soon as someone hits a qualifying bad beat, 70% of the jackpot will be shared between everyone at the table where the bad beat went down. 20% will go towards the next jackpot and 10% will go to the house.<------- well thats so nice AP, take another 10% on top of the double rakeWe’ll take the new amount and divide it amongst the players seated at the Bad Beat Jackpot table.The loser of the hand – ie. the bad beat victim - will take 50% of the prize The winner of the hand will take 25% of the prize <--------the suckout artist gets double rewarded for sucking outThe rest of the players seated at the table will share the remaining 25% Hit the tables now and discover how good your next bad beat can feel.Qualifying Terms & ConditionsNot all tables qualify for the Bad Beat Jackpot. Look for our real money Texas Hold’em tables to play for the jackpot. Bad Beat Jackpot tables will be noted with the word “jackpot” written in brackets after the table name and will be categorized in red text in the lobby. In order to qualify for the Bad Beat Jackpot, four or more players must see the flop and rake must be collected. <-------- so basically, someone with AA or AK must either limp in or min raise then hit a miracle flop then lose to a straight or royal flush or runner runner quadsThe losing hand must contain Aces full of Kings (AAAKK) or better. <-----i think at most casinos its any Aces fullPlayers sitting out at the Bad Beat Jackpot table are not eligible for the jackpot. Both hole cards must be included in the winning and losing hand. <----- see aboveThe hand must go to a showdown in order to qualify for the Bad Beat Jackpot. If there are two or more hands that qualify for the jackpot within one hand, then the two highest hands will be considered for the jackpot, with the highest hand being the winning hand (the winner) and the second highest hand winning the bad beat (the loser of the hand) Should two qualifying jackpot hands hit at precisely the same time, the jackpot will be awarded to the hand that began first according to AP time. Absolute Poker forbids collusion. All players must act independently and not reveal their hands to other players, nor tell them how to act. Failure to abide by these rules will result in automatic disqualification from the Bad Beat Jackpot. Further action will also be taken jackpot is up to 103K starting at 1/2 Link to post Share on other sites
finztotheleft 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I'll pass. An extra .50 every raked hand is going to hurt my bottom line every session. I play over 1000 hands every day and I don't think I've ever lost with AAAKK.....nevermind with all those conditions. My luck is I'd qualify and my opponenet would say "let's get to showdown" to disqualify it. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 The restriction I don't get is that four players have to see the flop. I've never heard of that for any jackpot qualifier. Not many tables have 40% of players seeing flops, and at 6max, I can't imagine that ever happening. Link to post Share on other sites
Lavitz 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 The restriction I don't get is that four players have to see the flop. I've never heard of that for any jackpot qualifier. Not many tables have 40% of players seeing flops, and at 6max, I can't imagine that ever happening.That is truly stupid. I would love to play in 6 max games where 4 people saw a flop on a consistent basis. Link to post Share on other sites
Ben_G 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 Wow.... AP must be hurting for cash.... what a scam! Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I can't figure this out...I've been watching and playing these tables, and I've yet to actually see the extra 50 cents get raked. It's still 5% up to $3 on almost every table at the limits I play. I never see the 50 cents, so I'm confused. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I can't figure this out...I've been watching and playing these tables, and I've yet to actually see the extra 50 cents get raked. It's still 5% up to $3 on almost every table at the limits I play. I never see the 50 cents, so I'm confused.I see the 50 cents set to the right of the actual rake.Yeah, 4 players seeing a flop is ridiculous and I think I'll avoid these tables from now on. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 AP can't keep their **** straight...Another link, not the one copied in the OP, states that it's 2222 losing, and that 4 people must be dealt into the hand, not see the flop.They always do stupid **** like this... they are never consistent.http://www.absolutepoker.com/download/software-updates.asp Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I see the 50 cents set to the right of the actual rake.Yeah, 4 players seeing a flop is ridiculous and I think I'll avoid these tables from now on.NM i can't read. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 No sw required there I wouldn't think. He's not saying he wouldn't LIKE to play at tables with >40% Players per Flop, he's just saying that the likelihood of that happening isn't enough to justify spending extra dough on the rake. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 most of those are pretty typical conditions for a bad beat. Some live casinos start it at Aces Full of Tens or better beaten by Quads, but most BBJ's online start at 4 8's or better, so this is significantly better.If 4 people have to see the flop, that is a very difficult condition to meet. However if only 4 people have to be dealt into the hand, the BBJ is actually one of the best on the net. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 I was just watching some more... and I noticed they don't rake the 50 cents unless 4 people see the flop. So yeah... good times.This won't affect me too much as I play 6 max where there's rarely 4 to any flop.Fun idea though. Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted June 22, 2007 Share Posted June 22, 2007 With the exception of two rules, this is a very normal bad beat jackpot setup.The exceptions are:1) AP taking 10% of the jackpot. Damn... what a scam! This is (as you said) like a hidden rake. Most (reputable) casinos that have a bad beat jackpot, do not "rake" any of the prize pool for their profits.2) Four players must see a flop in order for a hand to qualify. I've never heard of this rule before, but I suppose that at most donkey-fests that you will find in low limits at qualifying bad beat jackpot tables, this problem will take care of itself... Link to post Share on other sites
footlongconey 0 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 all the casino's i have played at if you loose with aaakk you get 10% If you loose with quad 10's or better you and the person in the hand will recive a chop of 40%, the other 40% chops with everyone else at the table and the last 20% goes to the dealer. I have hit it twice in 3 years and no i did not tip the dealer. hitting the 2 bbj have put 65k total in my poket together. Not a bad format but you have to be sure how many players must see the flop. a good casino dealer will tell you that since we have X amount of players at the table there will not be a bbj until we get more players and not rake for the bbj.When i am playing with a live dealer i ask about the bbj. If i get a donk dealer that doesn't know then i dont tip. Also if they dont clap there hands and turn them over before placing the cards to be shuffled i dont tip.when you ask the brush to be put on the list ask them about the bbj and they will tell you.if dealer does stick to procedure less than a $100 pot i tip $5.$200 pot i tip $10 ect....take care of the dealers and they will take care of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
lunarphase 0 Posted June 23, 2007 Author Share Posted June 23, 2007 couldn't resist so I played a table and managed to leave with a profit I'll try it again sometime Link to post Share on other sites
dreamcrusher28 0 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 The only reason I like it is because the 1/2 full ring tables are now jammed with players, I don't care for 6-max. Avg pot and % seeing flop seem to be higher than the nitfests of typical FR tables at AP.Whatever brings the donkeys to the well is OK in my book. Link to post Share on other sites
Roo6339 0 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 all the casino's i have played at if you loose with aaakk you get 10% If you loose with quad 10's or better you and the person in the hand will recive a chop of 40%, the other 40% chops with everyone else at the table and the last 20% goes to the dealer. I have hit it twice in 3 years and no i did not tip the dealer. hitting the 2 bbj have put 65k total in my poket together. Not a bad format but you have to be sure how many players must see the flop. a good casino dealer will tell you that since we have X amount of players at the table there will not be a bbj until we get more players and not rake for the bbj.When i am playing with a live dealer i ask about the bbj. If i get a donk dealer that doesn't know then i dont tip. Also if they dont clap there hands and turn them over before placing the cards to be shuffled i dont tip.when you ask the brush to be put on the list ask them about the bbj and they will tell you.if dealer does stick to procedure less than a $100 pot i tip $5.$200 pot i tip $10 ect....take care of the dealers and they will take care of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...so what do you think of this bad beat structure? Link to post Share on other sites
WowThats 0 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Scam... ScamThe winner gets 50% of 70% = 35%the loser gets 25% of 70%the table gets 10% of 70%The house gets a full 10%the next jackpot gets a full 20% Link to post Share on other sites
Uniqueuponhim 0 Posted June 23, 2007 Share Posted June 23, 2007 Funny, I just saw a bad beat jackpot on the WPT website the other day, except that they required four jacks or better. Also, I loled at rule 5: 4. In Texas Hold’em or 7 Card Stud, you must lose with a hand with a minimum of 4 Jacks or better, with both of your hole cards being utilized.5. In Omaha/Hi Lo, you must lose with a hand with a minimum of 4 Jacks or better, with at least two of your cards being used.They don't take any extra rake for it though, just a $2500 +$150/day jackpot. Still, I don't expect in my entire life that I'll ever have quad jacks or better and lose. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted June 24, 2007 Share Posted June 24, 2007 Scam... ScamThe winner gets 50% of 70% = 35%the loser gets 25% of 70%the table gets 10% of 70%The house gets a full 10%the next jackpot gets a full 20%that's generally how BBJ's work. It is scammish for an online site to take 10%, but not at all unusual. Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Looks like this has been hit numerous times already. Firs time was at a .50/1.00 cash game, quad kings to a straight flush.There's an article on cardplayer. Link to post Share on other sites
litlebullet 0 Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 they changed the requirements to quad 8's. Link to post Share on other sites
lunarphase 0 Posted July 3, 2007 Author Share Posted July 3, 2007 its up to 294K now I was in pain when I had A A on A A J J board I almost cried when he didn't have it Link to post Share on other sites
SilentButDeadly3 0 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Most (reputable) casinos that have a bad beat jackpot, do not "rake" any of the prize pool for their profits.Yes they do, and to think otherwise is quite foolish. Link to post Share on other sites
lunarphase 0 Posted July 3, 2007 Author Share Posted July 3, 2007 some luckbox table hit and winner took down over 100K Link to post Share on other sites
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