5-10 Nl, Venetian Style

[Jordan 1]

Thanks for the help pp24. You pretty much covered my comebacks. And the other guy's comment about 5/10NL players acting quickly and not fkcing around?...lol. are you serious? If you really ever played 5/10NL you would know that people generally take MUCH MORE time to make a decision when there is potentially thousands of dollars at risk. You guys can poke fun at me all you want about me playing freerolls. I will never play online for real money, that crap is freakin rigged. And seriously, I would be cleaning up at the WSOP right now, but recently lost 4 or 5 hands with KK in 2 weeks at the casino with no flop being higher than Q high. Then I lost a $1,000 pot with AA all-in preflop against KK and lose to a K on the river. Y'all are lucky I run like poop.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolthank you.here is how i play the hand.since one guy limped, i will vary my pf raises. sometimes i will, sometimes i wont...since op limped here, i'd call the raise and yada yada.i personally think open-limping would be fugly GENERALLY SPEAKING...i never open-limp, i think that's bad poker...doesn't fit my style...etc, etc.but all this other BS posted is hilarious.online poker is rigged!- Jordan

[Royal_Tour 0]

Their is no set way to play AA. But some ways are obviously better then others.Open limping from the CO with basically any hand is bad. Why is it bad? Because a lot of the value of playing a hand from the CO is that you will often take down the blinds and when you dont you get to play the hand in position vs a somewhat defined hand (assuming a real big hand will 3-bet you pre.) In this spot since 109s was limped we are unsure of whether the BB has a big hand (AA-1010 AK) 100% of the time or if he possibly tried to take it down pre with something more marginal like A5s. While the other obvious problem of limping is that we are allowing junk hands like Q5o or J8 to see a flop from the blinds.Once we've limped its most likely a fold pre. Sure we have some implied odds. But at the same time its way to easy to put yourself in tough spots when the flop comes J92 or 1055 and we really have no idea where our hand stands.

I agree almost 100% with pokerplayer in this thread.If i'm going to play a hand from LP in a un-raised pot, i'l be the 1st to raise it. we're trying to be last to act if we arent the button,we're trying to eliminate random holdings like 10,3 etc.. we also rep a number of hands by raising, and get a better idea of our opponents holdings if they 3-bet

[Naismith 0]

Okay, for the second time, I wasn't the first person in this pot. I limped behind another limper.Secondly, acting like Acid is clueless about the situation is ridiculous since he was sitting at the table.Thirdly, we hadn't been playing long enough to establish that the SB was a rock. Fourthly, I haven't said what I did on the flop, even though that's what this thread was supposed to be about.

[Acid_Knight 2]

The way, I played it, I put in $90 preflop. Flop comes 10 high, SB will do one of 2 things:(Keeping in mind, SB hasn't played one single hand since we sat down 20 hands ago. I guarantee you he doesn't have rags. You call my post a load of crap, but you aren't even paying attention to what the fcku is going on in the previous hands. Since when did the SB become a "steal" position in a pot with $20 in it? lol. Get a clue guy.)1. So say SB has JJ or better, you have to think he will over-bet the flop trying to protect. That's pretty standard. I put in my $90 then fold on the flop when I know I'm probably drawing to 5 outs.or2. Say the SB has AK or AQ, this isn't going to be a over-bet on the flop and he may not bet at all. So now, a pair of 10's doesn't look so bad. right? The more I think about, the more I think that the SB in the hand Naismith played, I think villain had AK. So I put in $90 and know where I am. That means I know what I'm going to do before the next card comes. If thinking ahead to the next card is dumb, then forgive me. I guess I'm just a freerolling noob.Naismith put in $50 PF, $50 on the flop and still has no clue what to do on the turn. That's $100 in and he's probably folding to a bet on the turn. There's a word for that type of play "CALLING STATION" and last time I checked, that's a weak *** play.Carry on.

I guess that I'm just like SUPER impressed that you have such a dead on perfect flawless read of the SB's playing style based on the 15-20 hands that he FOLDED PREFLOP!I seriously love this post. Normal people have to see someone play a hand before they get such a dead on read. I guess that Mr. NonZeroPossibility is just better than all of us.

If you really ever played 5/10NL you would know that people generally take MUCH MORE time to make a decision when there is potentially thousands of dollars at risk.

Yeah, if I ever really played 5/10 NL, like the OP does right? We'll just ignore the fact that I was 4 seats to his left in a 5/10 NL game? Nice try there.5/10 NL players are actually paying attention to the game and know how the action moves much better than 1/2 newbs do. That means that they don't need to be told that it is their turn to act, they just act. Yeah, when big decisions happen, it takes time. Not every hand is a matter of life and death and most of them go pretty quickly.

I will never play online for real money, that crap is freakin rigged.

LOL.

And seriously, I would be cleaning up at the WSOP right now, but recently lost 4 or 5 hands with KK in 2 weeks at the casino with no flop being higher than Q high. Then I lost a $1,000 pot with AA all-in preflop against KK and lose to a K on the river. Y'all are lucky I run like poop.

Translation: I would be cleaning up at the WSOP right now if I didn't put so much money in the pot with KK when I was behind, had better bankroll management and was half as good as I thought I was at playing this game.Maybe you should learn how to lay down KK postflop. It's not always the nuts you know. I'm sure you have a bulletproof guide for us (for a small fee of course) on how to properly play KK though, right?Back to the task at hand. I like a call on the flop given preflop action. You may be ahead or you may be behind, but you don't want to fall into his b/3b trap if that was the reason he was betting so small. Raising him off of his AK, AQ or whatever whiffed overcards he has isn't that big of a concern becuase he's only going to spike one on the turn about 1 in 8 times. You'll also get a better idea of his hand from the turn bet because if he was going for a b/3b line, he knows it isn't going to happen now. If he's got an overpair, he'll likely bet to protect it and if he's got AK, then we hope that he's like most players and will check because he's got nothing and is OOP. I'm calling the flop and probably folding to further aggression on the turn unless my hand improves.

[tskillz187 0]

we're trying to be last to act if we arent the button,

Agree

we're trying to eliminate random holdings like 10,3 etc..

Disagree. This holds much more weight if we are holding something like A10, AJish. 910 isn't trying to thin the bad hands out we are playing it to try and win a potentially big pot, we don't care about winning the J962K board, so if J4 is in there he wins a tiny pot.

we also rep a number of hands by raising, and get a better idea of our opponents holdings if they 3-bet

If we limp a number of hands we are repping the same amount, our opponents will 3 bet almost the identical range that they would open with from the blinds. It's not like he's just going to complete in the blind with QQ KK or AA he will raise those just as he would 3-bet them.

[Acid_Knight 2]

our opponents will 3 bet almost the identical range that they would open with from the blinds.

This is a very good point.

[linkwood 0]

Thanks for the help pp24. You pretty much covered my comebacks. And the other guy's comment about 5/10NL players acting quickly and not fkcing around?...lol. are you serious? If you really ever played 5/10NL you would know that people generally take MUCH MORE time to make a decision when there is potentially thousands of dollars at risk. You guys can poke fun at me all you want about me playing freerolls. I will never play online for real money, that crap is freakin rigged. And seriously, I would be cleaning up at the WSOP right now, but recently lost 4 or 5 hands with KK in 2 weeks at the casino with no flop being higher than Q high. Then I lost a $1,000 pot with AA all-in preflop against KK and lose to a K on the river. Y'all are lucky I run like poop.

You see, I want to take your points seriously (even though I don't agree necessarily) but then you go ahead and say stupid **** like this. If you want to have a discussion have a discussion. Don't turn it into a pissing contest, even if you feel like others are doing so. Let your play and your ideas speak for themselves. If people disagree, oh well.

[tskillz187 0]

This is a very good point actually.

Dont you ever use that tone again.

[Acid_Knight 2]

This is a very good point.

Dont you ever use that tone again.

Don't mess with my posts please

[Jordan 1]

thx for changing your background color.now...get on your knees.- Jordanedit- i linked you from my blog. let me know if you want to link back..i can tell you how if u can't figure it out.

[Acid_Knight 2]

edit- i linked you from my blog. let me know if you want to link back..i can tell you how if u can't figure it out.

I have to acknowledge the link before my blog is actually linked from yours?

[Jordan 1]

I have to acknowledge the link before my blog is actually linked from yours?

no, if you go to my blog you'll see yours there.you just edit the html.you go to your dashboard > templatethen you scroll down to about 90% at the bottom and youll see your links..then you edit it in there.basically the code would look like this

<li><a href="http://www.jord4npoker.blogspot.com/" target="_BLANK">Jordan's Blog</a></li>

- Jordanyou dont have to link me...but i try and link ppls blogs i read.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Maybe I'm missing something Jordan. In your blog, I see links for Akishore, Shaniac, Tremoney, Hoosier Alum, Your Other Blog and your photobucket album. When I go into the template area of my blog, I don't see the code with your name in it either. I don't know if I'm just missing something or if I'm not yet linked to your blog and that's why I'm not seeing the right code in the template area. If I'm stupid, just say so

[Jordan 1]

Maybe I'm missing something Jordan. In your blog, I see links for Akishore, Shaniac, Tremoney, Hoosier Alum, Your Other Blog and your photobucket album. When I go into the template area of my blog, I don't see the code with your name in it either. I don't know if I'm just missing something or if I'm not yet linked to your blog and that's why I'm not seeing the right code in the template area. If I'm stupid, just say so

you're under tre...make sure you refresh.and the reason you dont see me in your template is cuz you have to put that code in there.bascially just cut/paste it in there where the links are...- Jordan

[whiterice714 0]

just read your blog jordan...you sound juuuuuuuuust fuccin like me... so much so that it's actually kinda scary...the whole hate life sometimes & over worry & over analyze everything bit.. but then at a dif time you're like "why do i think like that?"i guess i'm crazy too LOLZ

[Acid_Knight 2]

make sure you refresh.

That was the kicker.

[mtdesmoines 3]

just read your blog jordan...you sound juuuuuuuuust fuccin like me... so much so that it's actually kinda scary...the whole hate life sometimes & over worry & over analyze everything bit.. but then at a dif time you're like "why do i think like that?"i guess i'm crazy too LOLZ

Assuming that I'm older than you, and remember those times. It's not like you ever stop having those days, you just learn to handle them better. Mortgages, wives, kids, jobs ... it all comes along. For most people, anyway. Try very hard to enjoy your youth instead of wallowing in angst. Seriously. You're young, single and times are relatively good for young people right now. The best thing to do when you feel like that is to pick up the paper, find something ... anything ... to do and get out and do it. Travel. Party. Volunteer. Learn to give something of yourself to others. Grow. Life is good.

[Jordan 1]

Assuming that I'm older than you, and remember those times. It's not like you ever stop having those days, you just learn to handle them better. Mortgages, wives, kids, jobs ... it all comes along. For most people, anyway. Try very hard to enjoy your youth instead of wallowing in angst. Seriously. You're young, single and times are relatively good for young people right now. The best thing to do when you feel like that is to pick up the paper, find something ... anything ... to do and get out and do it. Travel. Party. Volunteer. Learn to give something of yourself to others. Grow. Life is good.

werd.im 22...angst is more or less, for 16 year olds in my opinion.my life changed a lot when i first lived in guatemala...but yea, my blog really isn't that in-depth on what i'm thinking for a reason. it's all good.- Jordan