Final Table Of Event #32 Seven Card Stud

[Ben_G 0]

It's either waste time up here in my room, or go on tilt playing penny ante poker downstairs. This whole WSOP has been destroyed by stupid structures

Ya i figured.... you are playing in it though right?

[code1390 0]

Do you plan on arriving at 7:15?

[AKoffsuit 0]

Sorry to hear Daniel. Wow those structures do suck.What's your next event?oops I should read before I post. Omaha . GL and take this one down!

[DanielNegreanu 141]

Do you plan on arriving at 7:15?

ya

[code1390 0]

If you want to pass time, HSP is on GSN.

[Suited_Up 2]

If you want to pass time, HSP is on GSN.

On Hotel Cable? Good Luck with that.

[jooka 0]

It's either waste time up here in my room, or go on tilt playing penny ante poker downstairs. This whole WSOP has been destroyed by stupid structures

and you wonder why Admo took your bet this year.

[ajs510 122]

Worst... structures... ever. Spend 8 hours with 60-100 BB's and then spend the second half of the tournament where the average stack hovers between 8-12 BB's. I was second in chips and lost three hands in a row... and am out!Hand 1: K-K-10 vs 10-10-7Hand 2: Ks Js 2s 3s vs 5-5-J-4Hand 3: J-J-6 vs 2-2-2 See ya!!!

Condolences.

[Squirrelmonger 0]

Worst... structures... ever. Spend 8 hours with 60-100 BB's and then spend the second half of the tournament where the average stack hovers between 8-12 BB's. I was second in chips and lost three hands in a row... and am out!Hand 1: K-K-10 vs 10-10-7Hand 2: Ks Js 2s 3s vs 5-5-J-4Hand 3: J-J-6 vs 2-2-2 See ya!!!

I know you have done a lot to work with the WSoP to help alleviate some of these problems, and in that regard you want to maintain that working relationship. But it honestly seems like they have got their bottom line ahead of all other concerns, thats not to say they shouldn't profit from it! A lot of people probably don't think this is a big deal, however I think when you look at all the things that are adding up, it becomes a big deal. A few examples..1) Massive rake taken from each tournament.2) Sponsorship money from advertisers that goes straight into their pocket, this is cash that the players are directly responsible for generating... I mean from the fact that people tune into ESPN to see top pros to the huge player contributed prize pools.3) In the same line as the sponsors, we have the PPV online final tables and the PPV Main event final table, both of which get pocketed and players see $0.00 of.4) Final table structure has been moving more towards the WPT all-in fest.5) The entire Series is set up to run as many tournaments in the time they have available.6) Table Space and conditions in the poker pavillion, are downright pathetic for a $1.5k or higher buy-in event.7) By all accounts dealers are hit and miss, one dealer is clearly good at his job while another hardly knows the game and needs help from players to split pots etc..8) Consistently late starts to events leaves players in the dark when it comes to making plans, this effectively traps players and ends up wasting a lot of people's time.I'm sure there are more but thats off the top of my head, and I haven't even been down there this year. These are just the stories related to me thus far.I don't want anyone to think I hate the WSoP, because I do love it. It truly is the best time of year for poker players. Now a lot of these things by themselves I would consider unacceptable, but together they are on the verge of tragic. As I said before I know DN works with them on a lot of these issues and he has already claimed responsibility for some of the structure problems. But how long is it going to be before some of the sponsors and PPV money generated by the players is put into the prizepools? I would bet never (depending on the odds ), but I think you get the point.Before I go too much further let me just say, this is a delicate issue at the moment because of the online situation. The last thing poker as a community (and yes I am not just including players but TDs, casinos, and every dealer involved from A to Z) needs is a bunch of bickering and griping over money in the public eye. In the end it will only be detrimental to the overall success of poker.So in conclusion, keep on fighting the inside battle DN, but from time to time give us a wink wink and a nod nod to let us know you are still working on it. Its not that we/I don't have complete faith in you, but rather that its nice to know whats going on and to be reminded that someone is trying to make that difference.

[sdc12303 0]

Worst... structures... ever. Spend 8 hours with 60-100 BB's and then spend the second half of the tournament where the average stack hovers between 8-12 BB's. I was second in chips and lost three hands in a row... and am out!Hand 1: K-K-10 vs 10-10-7Hand 2: Ks Js 2s 3s vs 5-5-J-4Hand 3: J-J-6 vs 2-2-2 See ya!!!

Sorry to say but I honestly think Daniel and the rest of the W.S.O.P. Players Advisory Board have absolutely no right to complain about these structures. Although these horrible structures seem like they were put together 2 minutes before the cards went in the air, That's just not the case. These structures have been available to view well in advance of all the tournaments. That was the time for all these players to come out and let Harrahs now just how bad the structures are. When the top players said they wanted more non hold em' tournaments at the series Harrahs complied. When the players made a big fuss about the cards, Harrahs brought in new cards. I strongly believe that if the advisory board would have made it clear to Harrahs how bad these structures are, and not just once or twice but constantly, Then I think Harrahs would have changed them. I played in 2 limit tournaments at the series and saw first hand just how bad these structures are. I want to make it clear thats not what I am upset about. I am upset that the board supposedly representing me and the other thousands of players were not adamant enough in changing these structures. We aren't talking about the Advisory Board failing to make sure players had the best food or close bathrooms, We are talking about them not making a big enough deal about the fact that the structure of the actual tournaments are horrible. Before I get a bunch of mess from some of you, Let me make it clear that this is in no way a personal attack against Daniel or any other players. I just think enough wasn't done to change things. Anyone on the Advisory Board who complains about the bad structures is like someone complaining about George Bush after they voted to re-elected him. (ok maybe not that much but you know what I mean) --My two cents--

[DwayneAMania 0]

Daniel actually said that he does take responsibility for letting the blind structures go without really looking at them. I'll lay 5-1 that they're changed next year!!!

[psujohn 0]

I wouldn't go so far as to say the advisory board is responsible for the bad structures. They didn't come up with the structures after all. They simply didn't correct the bad structures when they were first proposed and could have been changed.As I said before I'm not sure that the deficiency in the limit structure would be immediately obvious to anyone unless they thought about it carefully and had played a lot of limit tournaments. By their very nature limit tournaments are much harder to structure since limit makes it difficult for people to bust out early. You almost need to give everyone 30 BB to start and then increase the limits as people bust out. Limit structures also make it difficult to increase the limits slowly but still have a significant effect on the play. Though the structures are obviously the most important thing in a tournament I don't know that it's the worst thing that Harrahs has done. It seems like they at least attempted to improve the structures to give people more play. Didn't quite work out they way they intended but it was at least a good intention and was also something that couldn't be corrected.Now the "pavilion" tent just seems like a horrid idea from the start. Whoever thought that a tent in Vegas in June would be a good idea? And then when the thing was 100 degrees inside or nearly blowing down in the wind they didn't move people inside when they could have. That is just inexcusable in my mind.

[eYank 0]

did anyone see this pic from DN on the PokerStars Blog?He let them put a PS logo on his jersey? Hopefully its just a sticker or a pin on

[Squirrelmonger 0]

Sorry to say but I honestly think Daniel and the rest of the W.S.O.P. Players Advisory Board have absolutely no right to complain about these structures. Although these horrible structures seem like they were put together 2 minutes before the cards went in the air, That's just not the case. These structures have been available to view well in advance of all the tournaments. That was the time for all these players to come out and let Harrahs now just how bad the structures are.When the top players said they wanted more non hold em' tournaments at the series Harrahs complied. When the players made a big fuss about the cards, Harrahs brought in new cards. I strongly believe that if the advisory board would have made it clear to Harrahs how bad these structures are, and not just once or twice but constantly, Then I think Harrahs would have changed them.I played in 2 limit tournaments at the series and saw first hand just how bad these structures are. I want to make it clear thats not what I am upset about. I am upset that the board supposedly representing me and the other thousands of players were not adamant enough in changing these structures. We aren't talking about the Advisory Board failing to make sure players had the best food or close bathrooms, We are talking about them not making a big enough deal about the fact that the structure of the actual tournaments are horrible.Before I get a bunch of mess from some of you, Let me make it clear that this is in no way a personal attack against Daniel or any other players. I just think enough wasn't done to change things. Anyone on the Advisory Board who complains about the bad structures is like someone complaining about George Bush after they voted to re-elected him. (ok maybe not that much but you know what I mean)--My two cents--

Like has already been mentioned DN has owned up to this already. And there have been positive changes made by Harrahs since last year, which is why I am hopeful a lot of the things I listed before will eventually be dealt with eventually (with the exception of the sponsor money and PPV money). I just wish we didn't need to force them to make the changes, since as you said all the issues corrected thus far have taken a large unified voice to change. Now let me first say that I can understand where you are coming from in saying that Daniel has no right to complain about the structures. But what do you expect him to do at this point? He has already stated publicly that he had the chance to change the structures and that he feels like the blame falls squarely on his shoulders. But do you really expect him to say nothing after taking the blame? Wouldn't it be better for him to start pushing for these changes for next year? The idea is we want Harrahs to know we are serious about the structure changes, and the sooner we start to make our opinions and concerns known the sooner it will get fixed for next year. So to that end, I expect Daniel and every other pro on the advisory board to take every opportunity they get to let people know the structures need to be changed.As for your final paragraph, I don't think you need to worry about people jumping on you for stating your opinion about DN. It seems around here, the thing that gets you jumped is making stupid statements without reason, and like I said above it is easy to see where you are coming from. I just think you haven't thought it all the way out to the logical conclusion, that the best way to get these changes made for next year is to start complaining about them this year.