Royal_Tour 0 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 k. weird hand, I just sat at this table. couple people know me, and start asking me how my week has been going. so most of the table has picked up on the fact that i play a lot.1/2NLi'm button with QhTh4 limps to me, I raise to 12.blinds fold. UTG calls. 1 call from MP, 1 call from LP.4 players.K,J,JUTG bets 15.folds to me.I call.turn 5. UTG check.hero check.river 9.UTG bets 25, hero...UTG has 100 left, hero has about 150 left.Is this an auto raise? and how much? what do we put a complete unkown on here?? Link to post Share on other sites
pocket_change 0 Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 k. weird hand, I just sat at this table. couple people know me, and start asking me how my week has been going. so most of the table has picked up on the fact that i play a lot.1/2NLi'm button with QhTh4 limps to me, I raise to 12.blinds fold. UTG calls. 1 call from MP, 1 call from LP.4 players.K,J,JUTG bets 15.folds to me.I call.turn 5. UTG check.hero check.river 9.UTG bets 25, hero...UTG has 100 left, hero has about 150 left.Is this an auto raise? and how much? what do we put a complete unkown on here??The only full house I can put UTG on is J-9 or possibly 55 (doubtful). It is possible that he has J9 but I think he would bet more than 25 into the pot. He may be worried that someone else has a boat and value betting his J or K. I would min. raise here, however the problem with raising is unknowns would possibly shove with the jack, which puts you in a tough spot because I think you have to call unless you know the player is tight. Link to post Share on other sites
jsull 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 I would min. raise hereHe's an unknown, so it's hard to say what his range is here but....I believe:He still calls with the the K in his hand if you min raise. He still calls if he's got TTHe definitely calls and probably won't raise with just any J. (I think JQ and JT are definite possibilities here.)If he's checking the turn to you its either because he's setting you up for a monster or because he feels his hand is semi strong.I think a Min-raise makes it possible to get away from a shove here, and extracts enough out so he doesn't feel threatened and thinks he has to call with mediocre holdings.I say min-raise for value, if he shoves, re-evaluate, but strongly consider fold. Link to post Share on other sites
pocket_change 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 He's an unknown, so it's hard to say what his range is here but....I believe:He still calls with the the K in his hand if you min raise. He still calls if he's got TTHe definitely calls and probably won't raise with just any J. (I think JQ and JT are definite possibilities here.)If he's checking the turn to you its either because he's setting you up for a monster or because he feels his hand is semi strong.I think a Min-raise makes it possible to get away from a shove here, and extracts enough out so he doesn't feel threatened and thinks he has to call with mediocre holdings.I say min-raise for value, if he shoves, re-evaluate, but strongly consider fold.I actually just read this again.I don't put him on the jack. If he bet the board like that on the flop, he definitely would have followed with a bet on the turn if he holds the jack. I could be wrong but I think if he has the jack, he bets it on the turn to follow the bet on the flop. So unless he has 55 or 99 I don't think he filled up anywhere. He could be creative though and maybe flopped the nuts then bet to see if anyone was with him. Checked the turn hoping for you to bet. Then when you didn't bet, he may have value bet the river. So many possibilities, what a game. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Is this an auto raise? and how much? what do we put a complete unkown on here??You're ahead. Triple his bet. I think you have to take advantage of situations where you are strong and have interested parties. Link to post Share on other sites
Cappy37 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 If I'm following right, looks like there is $33 in the pot pre flop, $63 after the flop, and $25 to you with $88 in the pot on the river.He's bet slightly less than half the pot, you can't put him on a steal attempt with such a small bet. He's either a.) value-betting a monster, b.) value betting (in his mind) trip jacks, or c.) trying to see a cheap showdown with a preventative bet on the river.The most telling information to me is him calling your blind raise with 3 players to act behind him. To me it seems someone can't let go of AJ, but is unwilling push with it, either. The scary part is that same mentality could lead to K-J, which explains his turn check, but not his flop bet. Following the script of the hand, I put him on AJ and shove. I can't see him calling preflop with J-9 with 3 to act behind him. Only 5-5 is truly scary, but he's gotta bet that turn 5 if he has 55, since it looks harmless compared to the flop he just bet and got called on.In short: Shove it, unless you've picked up on him having a very tight image, then just call since the pot is laying you about 3.5 to 1. Link to post Share on other sites
7s7c 0 Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 Just from the hand description it looks a lot like gin on the turn with 55, but without a solid read it would be tough to argue not popping the river. Link to post Share on other sites
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