Wsop Ethics Question.

[MDBLakers 0]

If you are registered in two tournaments on the same day, couldn't someone just take their chips from one tournament and add them to the other tournament they are in to gain an advantage? Say someone had a bunch of chips from a tournament that was now in day 2. They could take some of those chips and move them to new tournament that's still in day 1 to gain an advantage. Taking three thousand chips from a stack of 20K is only going to decrease your stack by 15%. But adding three thousand chips to a stack of 5K will increase your stack by 60%.Does the Rio use the same chips for every tournament?

[gibler321 1]

if you are asking if this is legal... than no.i'm not sure if people do it though... sounds like a good way to do it, if you were to do it

[Dogpatch 2]

Not saying I see everything.. but I hope I'd notice an opponent's stack grow from 5k to 8k.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Its called chip counts.if there is more than the designated number of chips in play, they will start to question and investigate. and you will be scared and worried for the rest of your life.not worth it

[MDBLakers 0]

Its called chip counts.if there is more than the designated number of chips in play, they will start to question and investigate. and you will be scared and worried for the rest of your life.not worth it

Well it happened last year in the Main Event. http://www.pokernews.com/news/2006/9/two-m...estions-one.htmChip Counts are usually not very accurate during play. They are more accurate at the end of the day when they bag them up. By then it's probably too late to pinpoint where they came from.

[MDBLakers 0]

Is the Rio using RFID chips? I don't think they are. I believe the Wynn uses them. This would definitely help with any sort of cheating and getting accurate chip counts. You'd think the biggest tournament in the world would be using the best technology available.I guess that's Harrah's for you.

[xzanos 0]

Does the Rio use the same chips for every tournament?

I don't think so. I believe I read that there's different sets, but I could be wrong. It seems to me that this would be the best way to go though.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Well it happened last year in the Main Event. http://www.pokernews.com/news/2006/9/two-m...estions-one.htmChip Counts are usually not very accurate during play. They are more accurate at the end of the day when they bag them up. By then it's probably too late to pinpoint where they came from.

my guess is this is more so staff errors. from coloring up, or whatever. or maybe just a miscount. whatever. cheating would be pretty insane since it says its a 3milion difference

[chrozzo 19]

Its called chip counts.if there is more than the designated number of chips in play, they will start to question and investigate. and you will be scared and worried for the rest of your life.not worth it

well put/thread

[ice4804 0]

Does the Rio use the same chips for every tournament?

I think I read somewhere that they are using one set for most of the smaller buy-in events and different sets for each of the big buy-ins to prevent people from doing exactly what you said in the OP. Obviously not foolproof (if both tourneys are lower buy-ins) but it helps to some extent.

[SilverSeven 0]

Well it happened last year in the Main Event. http://www.pokernews.com/news/2006/9/two-m...estions-one.htmChip Counts are usually not very accurate during play. They are more accurate at the end of the day when they bag them up. By then it's probably too late to pinpoint where they came from.

Yeah, I remember this last year but that was investgated pretty well IIRC, it was staff error from coloring up. Someone posted a reallly good online article, 6 pages or something, and I'm sure I found it through FCP. Link anyone ???When I saw the thread title, I was sure this was going to be about palming one or a few chips when placing a bet in the pot...I could see myself trying to get a read off of someone when suddenly they realize you've raised or bet a bunch more than what you have between your thumb and forefingers...never thought about trying this before tonight though...for sure I'll try it once in the home game with the boys...

[code1390 0]

Are RFID chips capable of being programed? For example, can you give a chip an chip an ID number like xxxxxx-21 for Event 21 and other chips ID's of xxxxxx-22 for event 22?

[Mr_Pink 0]

Are RFID chips capable of being programed?

No, RFIDs cannot be reprogrammed. Each RFID chip has a unique ID and each chip can be tracked by the central computer system. If a particular chip get flagged the system will trigger an alert as soon as the flagged chip shows up in the system.Even if you could reprogram the ID of and RFID chip it would do no good. You would just create a clone of an existing chip and then both of those chips would be flagged as invalid.

[supertouch 0]

The noon tournaments and the 5pm tournaments used different sets of chips.And the error last year was during the color up period an extra 2 million in chips was put in to play. Even Caesar's in Vegas uses different chips for their noon tournament and the 8 pm tournament. Or at least they did when I played there.

[mbreon 0]

People tried to pocket chips at the last HPT event I went to in Gary, IN.....they took chips from the qualifiers and tried to sneak them into the main event. Apparently 4 guys tried and all got caught, were thrown out of the tournament (w/o a refund - $2700 buy-in event), and then arrested. Not worth it.

[cwik 0]

People tried to pocket chips at the last HPT event I went to in Gary, IN.....they took chips from the qualifiers and tried to sneak them into the main event. Apparently 4 guys tried and all got caught, were thrown out of the tournament (w/o a refund - $2700 buy-in event), and then arrested. Not worth it.

lol, I love this line. How the **** do they know how many people tried it??

Its called chip counts.if there is more than the designated number of chips in play, they will start to question and investigate. and you will be scared and worried for the rest of your life.not worth it

I disagree with this too. Padding your stack would give you a huge advantage in a tourney, and we have absolutely no idea how easy/hard it would be for them to track exactly where the chips came from. If done properly it could be well worth the risk. (ethics is a whole different conversation)Personally I think that if a casino is going to be running multiple tournaments at the same time, they should be using differnt chip sets. In fact this probably should be a Nevada gaming commission (or whoever regulates it) rule.

[GetSprung 0]

The noon tournaments and the 5pm tournaments used different sets of chips.And the error last year was during the color up period an extra 2 million in chips was put in to play. Even Caesar's in Vegas uses different chips for their noon tournament and the 8 pm tournament. Or at least they did when I played there.

Correct. The noon and 5pm tourneys used different chips. THe only things that are the same are the greens(25), black(100), purple(500) and yellow(1000). So the problem would be the bigger chips and those are the chips that they decided to make different. One set had orange as 5k while the other had pink for 5k. You could still switch smaller chips but it wouldn't make a huge difference in the end.caesar's does the same thing but ALL the chips are different. Very well run cardroom.