Zeejustin Chip Leader

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

con·done (kn-dn) TRANSITIVE VERB: con·doned , con·don·ing , con·dones To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure.

suck-er nouninformal a person easily cheated, deceived, or imposed upon.

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con·done (kn-dn) TRANSITIVE VERB: con·doned , con·don·ing , con·dones To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure.

Yikes.

[Czech Razor 0]

con·done (kn-dn) TRANSITIVE VERB: con·doned , con·don·ing , con·dones To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure.

It's obvious she was writing it with its most common usage in mind: to give approval to ...Whipping out the dictionary just might be the absolute gayest thing anyone can do in an online discussion. Par for the course from what I've seen from ya ...

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

It's obvious she was writing it with its most common usage in mind: to give approval to ...Whipping out the dictionary just might be the absolute gayest thing anyone can do in an online discussion. Par for the course from what I've seen from ya ...

Good thing the prostate orgasm is no mystery for me then, huh..

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It's obvious she was writing it with its most common usage in mind: to give approval to ...Whipping out the dictionary just might be the absolute gayest thing anyone can do in an online discussion. Par for the course from what I've seen from ya ...

Yeah......bringing documentable facts into a Dialogue when someone says something ignorant......what was I thinking?Nice way condone her remarks.

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It's obvious she was writing it with its most common usage in mind: to give approval to ...Whipping out the dictionary just might be the absolute gayest thing anyone can do in an online discussion. Par for the course from what I've seen from ya ...

Gay -er -est:1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments.3. given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season.4. licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a gay old rogue with an eye for the ladies.5. homosexual.6. of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a gay organization.–noun7. a homosexual person, esp. a male.–adverb8. in a gay manner.Non sequitur–noun1. Logic. an inference or a conclusion that does not follow from the premises.2. a statement containing an illogical conclusion.[Origin: < L: it does not follow]

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eth·ics /ˈɛθɪks/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[eth-iks] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation–plural noun1. (used with a singular or plural verb) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.4. (usually used with a singular verb) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

Yeah......bringing documentable facts into a Dialogue when someone says something ignorant......what was I thinking?

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Gay -er -est:1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments.3. given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season.4. licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a gay old rogue with an eye for the ladies.5. homosexual.6. of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a gay organization.–noun7. a homosexual person, esp. a male.–adverb8. in a gay manner.Non sequitur–noun1. Logic. an inference or a conclusion that does not follow from the premises.2. a statement containing an illogical conclusion.[Origin: < L: it does not follow]

Heh.

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Yeah......bringing documentable facts into a Dialogue when someone says something ignorant......what was I thinking?Nice way condone her remarks.

You can do that without looking like a piece of s***.Well, not you as in you personally. Go get that dictionary again if you're still wondering what I mean.

[Totalbluff 0]

con·done (kn-dn) TRANSITIVE VERB: con·doned , con·don·ing , con·dones To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure.

Are you replying just to raise your post count or are you really that oblivious to what I am saying?What part of my first post did you misinterpret? The part where I said my friend and I had many arguements over the situation? That sounds like protest to me. Did I say ZeeJustin deserved to have his confiscated money returned? That looks like he was censured to me.They were punished. They deserved the punishment. And unless they continue the behavior, I look at it as time served.And the next time you put enough effort into looking up a word, try this one first...ap·plies v. intr. To be pertinent or relevant

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Gay -er -est:1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments.3. given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season.4. licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a gay old rogue with an eye for the ladies.5. homosexual.6. of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a gay organization.–noun7. a homosexual person, esp. a male.–adverb8. in a gay manner.Non sequitur–noun1. Logic. an inference or a conclusion that does not follow from the premises.2. a statement containing an illogical conclusion.[Origin: < L: it does not follow]

There is NO WAY they are going to comprend this post. Pearls before swine and all that. Too bad really - waste of an outstanding effort. Probably the first thread ever with two latin terms on the same page.

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There is NO WAY they are going to comprend this post. Pearls before swine and all that. Too bad really - waste of an outstanding effort. Probably the first thread ever with two latin terms on the same page.

Oh I got it - but it illicited nothing more than a simple "heh". This thread has pretty much run its course.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

There is NO WAY they are going to comprend this post. Pearls before swine and all that. Too bad really - waste of an outstanding effort. Probably the first thread ever with two latin terms on the same page.

yeah, non sequitur is far beyond my meager ability to comprehend....quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur

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Are you replying just to raise your post count or are you really that oblivious to what I am saying?What part of my first post did you misinterpret? The part where I said my friend and I had many arguements over the situation? That sounds like protest to me. Did I say ZeeJustin deserved to have his confiscated money returned? That looks like he was censured to me.They were punished. They deserved the punishment. And unless they continue the behavior, I look at it as time served.

Before people get their knickers in a twist by this post, I want to state I do not condone cheating of any kind.One of my friends was caught ZeeJustin style multiaccounting a few years ago (no, I had no idea at the time). I was pissed and we had a lot of arguements about it. He's a great player and I couldn't understand why he would do this. Basically what it came down to in his mind was his way of negating variance. (i.e. his KK running into AA etc.) He did it with no intention of trying to "cheat" someone out of their tournament chances. He wasn't doing it with the hopes of finding himself on the same table and chip dumping to himself. He was young and naive to an extent and for a long time still didn't understand why I was so mad about it. He really didn't think he was doing anything wrong.I think this is how a lot of multiaccounting players were thinking though. Do you guys honestly think someone like the Grinder needed to "cheat" to win a tournament?I don't really have the problem with it that I used to. Is it wrong? Of course. Were these guys young and stupid? Absolutely. Should they all burn in poker hell and never be allowed to put this behind them? No.This isn't something like the S and L scandal (Jesus, I think I just dated myself). Those people were theives. These kids were just trying to win a tournament. They went about it the wrong way, but that doesn't make them the scumbags they are being portrayed as. It makes them stupid kids.As I am short and prone to nosebleeds, I'll leave the high horses to better people than me. You can now return to snacking on your hater tots and I'll go find another thread to post in.

No where in any of my replies did I condone the cheating. No where did I say it was ok. No where did I imply in any form or fashion that what they did was not wrong.I do however think a lot of this had to do with their age, lack of life experience, and just a general screwed up rationale that comes from most teenage kids.I apologize if I don't lump kids who go off on a joyride into the same league as carjackers. Yes, this analogy is comparable in the scheme of online cheating.I personally hope they learned from it and think people should allow them to grow up and move on.

...You start by making the assertion that you don't condone cheating - and then go right into a rant that condones cheating as being a minor infraction of kids being kids. Give me a break. Yeah, these "kids" were just trying to win a Tournament - by cheating while everyone else played by the rules! Are you kidding me?!? Yes, they "went by it the wrong way"... THEY CHEATED!!!...

If you're still confused please refer to the Definition of "condone"

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I can't understand how people can't see our point of view. I am pretty sure that NO ONE has said what Zee Justin did was not cheating. If you attack people based on a proportional system of their wrong doings, then Zee Justin is being treated very unfairly. Mike Matusow was involved in dealing drugs. Joe Bartholdi sold cigarettes to his class mates in the 5th grade. Phil Ivey played underage in Atlantic City. Phil Laak lied about how much he was playing in a cash game several times and is apparently quite a snake. Dave "Devilfish" Ulliot does cocaine (currently). Carlos Mortensen has multiple accounts online. Puggy Pearson was known as a complete dishonest, hustler, low lifes, yet now he is considered a poker legend.I wouldn't be one bit surprised if players like Doyle cheated too. So with all these players doing all these things, ZeeJustin who entered a tournament more than once is the one everyone attacks? That just doesn't make sense to me.Btw, I am pretty sure Zee Justin did enter to lower the variance, not to try to chip dump. Surely it would be more +EV to enter tournaments like the $109s (100-300 people) if he was planning on chip dumping.

[donk4life 34]

I can't understand how people can't see our point of view. I am pretty sure that NO ONE has said what Zee Justin did was not cheating. If you attack people based on a proportional system of their wrong doings, then Zee Justin is being treated very unfairly. Mike Matusow was involved in dealing drugs. Joe Bartholdi sold cigarettes to his class mates in the 5th grade. Phil Ivey played underage in Atlantic City. Phil Laak lied about how much he was playing in a cash game several times and is apparently quite a snake. Dave "Devilfish" Ulliot does cocaine (currently). Carlos Mortensen has multiple accounts online. Puggy Pearson was known as a complete dishonest, hustler, low lifes, yet now he is considered a poker legend.I wouldn't be one bit surprised if players like Doyle cheated too. So with all these players doing all these things, ZeeJustin who entered a tournament more than once is the one everyone attacks? That just doesn't make sense to me.Btw, I am pretty sure Zee Justin did enter to lower the variance, not to try to chip dump. Surely it would be more +EV to enter tournaments like the $109s (100-300 people) if he was planning on chip dumping.

Very well said..And that seriously is true? I've heard about devilfish doing cocaine, but i didn't believe it.. that really is sad..

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yeah, non sequitur is far beyond my meager ability to comprehend....quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur

I don't speak Esperanto, but that sounds really profound

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I don't speak Esperanto, but that sounds really profound

I laughed, but not at you. No ...

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I am starting to think I am just going to have to type slower so you can keep up.Y o u r d e f i n i t i o n o f c o n d o n e d o e s n o t a p p l y t o t h i s c o n v e r s a t i o n.When I stated I didn't have the problem with it that I used to, I meant I didn't get pissed off to the point that I stopped playing (which I did at the time.) I can see how that statement would be interpreted as condoning the behavior. I apologize for that, that wasn't my intention.I still stand behind my opinion that it was mostly a bunch of moronic kids and people are going overboard by not letting it go.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

I don't speak Esperanto, but that sounds really profound

You do not speak Bora Boran either.I wish I spoke Esperanto... I always got the impression that the same kind of geek that learned Klingon, if born 50 years earlier, learned Esperanto instead.. but this might be completely my delusion.

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I am starting to think I am just going to have to type slower so you can keep up.Y o u r d e f i n i t i o n o f c o n d o n e d o e s n o t a p p l y t o t h i s c o n v e r s a t i o n.When I stated I didn't have the problem with it that I used to, I meant I didn't get pissed off to the point that I stopped playing (which I did at the time.) I can see how that statement would be interpreted as condoning the behavior. I apologize for that, that wasn't my intention.I still stand behind my opinion that it was mostly a bunch of moronic kids and people are going overboard by not letting it go.

Yeah......and I guess you're still not trying to be condescending either.That looked like fun, let me try it...b y d i s m i s s i n g t h e i r a c t i o n s a s " j u s t k i d s b e i n g k i d s " y o u b y m y d e f i n i t i o n a r e c o n d o n i n g t h e i r b e h a v i o r

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this has degenerated into a whole new level of pathetic arguing.

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Unless I'm horrible at math, Justin was over 18 when he cheated at online poker. Kids being kids does not apply - he was an adult.

[Jam-Fly 8]

Very well said..And that seriously is true? I've heard about devilfish doing cocaine, but i didn't believe it.. that really is sad..

Yeah. I heard story about him from a friend of his. He was in Monte Carlo (I think) and was snorting some at the restaurant table. The waiter comes over and politely says something like "I'm sorry sir, but we would rather if you did not do that here". The press hear this and go a little mad and start interviewing him etc for the rest of the trip. Eventually he breaks down and says "Look, I don't give a f*** what you say so long as you include Devilfish.com"