shinzilla 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Villain wasn't stupid... he wouldn't do this with just the straight draw. Pair and straight draw, two pair, set, overpair all seemed likely.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG ($13.85)MP ($58.35)CO ($26.65)Hero ($28.05)SB ($25.55)BB ($27.85)Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J. UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.35, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.10, MP calls $1.10.Flop: ($5.65) 6, 3, 4(4 players)SB bets $9, UTG folds, MP folds, Hero... Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Villain wasn't stupid... he wouldn't do this with just the straight draw. Pair and straight draw, two pair, set, overpair all seemed likely.Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG ($13.85)MP ($58.35)CO ($26.65)Hero ($28.05)SB ($25.55)BB ($27.85)Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J. UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.35, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.10, MP calls $1.10.Flop: ($5.65) 6, 3, 4(4 players)SB bets $9, UTG folds, MP folds, Hero...Wouldn't be surprised to see villain with sitting with a range of 88, 99 or TT. He was first to call you PF raise, which means there was something in his hand he liked. Hard to believe it was a small connector. Not saying it wasn't. Just hard to believe. Link to post Share on other sites
SCS 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I'd be worried about a set most of the time, but I think you're beating most of what villian might have here. If villian has something like a pair of fives, a pair of sevens, or A5, I'd want to make him pay to see the river and since any raise is going to commit you, I'd push. Link to post Share on other sites
Webslinger516 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I think you have to push here as well. The fact that he cold called and didn't raise preflop leads me to believe this isn't AA or KK. He's only got $16 left after he lead out for $9, so any raise = push here. If he made his set, you have to pay him off in this scenario. Folding here is a pretty weak play without any other evidence of a set. Link to post Share on other sites
dgostate8 0 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 do it, push. Link to post Share on other sites
Recks 0 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 id be very worried of a set here, straight you can forget about as well as a 2 pair, I doubt he would call your raise out of position with those cardsId fold or if I really thought he had 88,99 TT id raise to see where I was Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Id fold or if I really thought he had 88,99 TT id raise to see where I wasLOL, well, you'd certainly see where you are with a raise since after he calls, he'd have to flip his cards over. :)I would expect this to be a pocket pair more often than not. I think this is a profitable all in. Link to post Share on other sites
Recks 0 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 oh right he only has $25.55 my bad Link to post Share on other sites
AaronHoward 0 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 yes i think you have to push here, alot of the time he will have 88 or something like that i doubt a set Link to post Share on other sites
shinzilla 0 Posted June 1, 2007 Author Share Posted June 1, 2007 Results: I pushed with the JJ and he instacalled w/ 33. What can you do, right? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Results: I pushed with the JJ and he instacalled w/ 33. What can you do, right?Right ... given stacks, etc., what can you do.Reload. You'll get him next time. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Right ... given stacks, etc., what can you do.Reload. You'll get him next time.Both players have over a full buy-in. You can't make an excuse for stacking off with one pair because you weren't super deep stacked. The villian's bet put us to a tough decision to push or fold which was brilliant. I didn't see this hand before results were posted so take this for what it's worth. As argued, many people thought this was a pp and were willing to push and hope villian comes along with a worse hand. Only thing I would want to consider is that his bet is not a feeler bet with 88 asking if he's good. He's either caught a fairly large draw that's going to get them in, or he's got a big hand looking for an over pair to push. (Rather risk losin a c-bet from AJ+ in order to play a big pot against JJ+). I just don't think the large overbet is indicative of a medium pair. I think a medium pair may lead, but I don't think it overbets here. Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Results: I pushed with the JJ and he instacalled w/ 33. What can you do, right?This is why leading as the non-aggressor with sets is so profitable. Not many people do it, but overpairs feel obligated to get the money in immediately. When stacks are deep, it's even better. One of the easiest ways to stack anybody- good player or bad- is to fire in a flop bet with a sneakily disguised set, wait for a massive push by an overpair, and collect the chips.Wang Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Both players have over a full buy-in. You can't make an excuse for stacking off with one pair because you weren't super deep stacked. The villian's bet put us to a tough decision to push or fold which was brilliant. I didn't see this hand before results were posted so take this for what it's worth. As argued, many people thought this was a pp and were willing to push and hope villian comes along with a worse hand. Only thing I would want to consider is that his bet is not a feeler bet with 88 asking if he's good. He's either caught a fairly large draw that's going to get them in, or he's got a big hand looking for an over pair to push. (Rather risk losin a c-bet from AJ+ in order to play a big pot against JJ+). I just don't think the large overbet is indicative of a medium pair. I think a medium pair may lead, but I don't think it overbets here.Whoops. Lost track of threads. Thought this was one of the short stack situations. Link to post Share on other sites
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