pocket_change 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I think it's pretty clear that Sklansky is envious of the attention that the high stakes gamblers get i.e. DN. It's kind of a cry for attention as in "Hey look at me, I don't gamble for millions but I earn a living at poker!" And in response he has gotten a good STFU no one cares. Link to post Share on other sites
finztotheleft 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Seems to me that the only one craving admiration is Sklansky.What prompted him to even begin a thread on the topic? Talk about opening yourself up for some target practice.Jealousy in it's purest form. Link to post Share on other sites
Oziumrules 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I did not read all of the thread...but he has a point...DN shown's up to play golf and bets 500K or more with no chance of winning....DN has a edge at the poker table with his unreal reading ability, yet why would DN bet 500K on golf when he has no chance to win?....have you seen his swing? Who says he has NO Chance? Thats what makes golf great...everyone has a handicap which enables all golfing skills to play together. He had a bad run on the golf course against Ivey & Doyle...so what? That doesnt mean he has no chance... Link to post Share on other sites
PokerFan 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Who says he has NO Chance? Thats what makes golf great...everyone has a handicap which enables all golfing skills to play together. He had a bad run on the golf course against Ivey & Doyle...so what? That doesnt mean he has no chance...hmmmmm...Ivey lives with his personal golf coach and takes him everwhere he goes....and DN has a chance?.... I'm betting you have no idea what your talking about.. Link to post Share on other sites
Canuckickstan 2 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 hmmmmm...Ivey lives with his personal golf coach and takes him everwhere he goes....and DN has a chance?.... I'm betting you have no idea what your talking about.. I'd bet DN doesn't play him straight up, which evens it up. No ? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Ever heard of handicapping? Link to post Share on other sites
ThreeBet 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 hmmmmm...Ivey lives with his personal golf coach and takes him everwhere he goes....and DN has a chance?.... I'm betting you have no idea what your talking about..Pokerfan aint no Golffan ... that's fo sho!I could play Tiger Woods and have a "chance to win" .... actually, it would be 50/50 chance if I was able to keep my emotions under control and just pretend I'm not playing against the most recognizable athlete in the world. Since that would be pretty much impossible I'd peg my chances at about 30/70, the same as hitting your flush by the river.DN has a brutal swing (I have an Indoor Instruction and Training Facility so I do know of what I speak ... sorry DN!) but that means absolutely nothing if the correct handicaps are in place. Link to post Share on other sites
Oziumrules 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 hmmmmm...Ivey lives with his personal golf coach and takes him everwhere he goes....and DN has a chance?.... I'm betting you have no idea what your talking about..Ummmm... I do know what Im talking about, its quite obvious you do not. Obviously Ivey has improved, therefore, his HCP should drop. Handicaps enable all skill levels to play a fair match. Maybe Daniel couldnt play to his HCP and Ivey & Doyle could that month? I doubt Ivey & Daniel played even (straight up, for the non golfer) and maybe Daniel just had a bad month? Link to post Share on other sites
PokerFan 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I'd bet DN doesn't play him straight up, which evens it up. No ?It was documented on here the Ivey played Vaswani(sp) and cleaned him out (if Vaswani would have paid up)....Ivey's edge is that he gets these hacks, (DN) to give up more strokes then he should and as a result Ivey cleans up....for the record my golf index is a 4.0...and would wax any of you clowns blind folded Link to post Share on other sites
Oziumrules 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 It was documented on here the Ivey played Vaswani(sp) and cleaned him out (if Vaswani would have paid up)....Ivey's edge is that he gets these hacks, (DN) to give up more strokes then he should and as a result Ivey cleans up....for the record my golf index is a 4.0...and would wax any of you clowns blind foldedLOL! Show up Wed @ the Badlands....pack a lunch and bring $$$$$$$$ Link to post Share on other sites
PokerFan 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Pokerfan aint no Golffan ... that's fo sho!I could play Tiger Woods and have a "chance to win" .... actually, it would be 50/50 chance if I was able to keep my emotions under control and just pretend I'm not playing against the most recognizable athlete in the world. Since that would be pretty much impossible I'd peg my chances at about 30/70, the same as hitting your flush by the river.DN has a brutal swing (I have an Indoor Instruction and Training Facility so I do know of what I speak ... sorry DN!) but that means absolutely nothing if the correct handicaps are in place.30-70%?? are you out of your mind?.... Link to post Share on other sites
fatman 1 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 It was documented on here the Ivey played Vaswani(sp) and cleaned him out (if Vaswani would have paid up)....Ivey's edge is that he gets these hacks, (DN) to give up more strokes then he should and as a result Ivey cleans up....for the record my golf index is a 4.0...and would wax any of you clowns blind folded for some reason that made me LOL.....kind of like when you piss off someone at the tables and they want to play you heads up for your entire roll. Link to post Share on other sites
ThreeBet 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 30-70%?? are you out of your mind?....Why, yes I am. Thanks for asking.I'm surprised that someone who has an index so low would not comprehend what EVERYONE else is saying. You won't hear anything else from me on this ... you obviously have your mind made up. Hopefully you play poker with a little more of an open mind. Link to post Share on other sites
PokerFan 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Why, yes I am. Thanks for asking.I'm surprised that someone who has an index so low would not comprehend what EVERYONE else is saying. You won't hear anything else from me on this ... you obviously have your mind made up. Hopefully you play poker with a little more of an open mind.someone on here saying that they have a 30% chance of beating Tiger Woods makes me wonder why I waste a second of my day on this forum..since I'm over twice the avergae age of the typical poster here...I'll write this one off as you people being ignorant, immature and misinformed.. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 someone on here saying that they have a 30% chance of beating Tiger Woods makes me wonder why I waste a second of my day on this forum..since I'm over twice the avergae age of the typical poster here...I'll write this one off as you people being ignorant, immature and misinformed..Old Dude. I believe he was referring to a handicapped match. His point was that if he and Tiger played a handicapped match, by the nature of the handicap system, the outcome should be a coin flip. However, because of the Human Emotional element he was saying that it drops to 30/70 since he'd be intimidated by playing with the best golfer on the planet and regardless of his handicap, he'd be more likely to tank it.That is why the statement about DN having a lousy swing and therefore "no chance to win" is not terribly accurate. Of course they aren't playing straight up. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited J7 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 someone on here saying that they have a 30% chance of beating Tiger Woods makes me wonder why I waste a second of my day on this forum..since I'm over twice the avergae age of the typical poster here...I'll write this one off as you people being ignorant, immature and misinformed..The reason he has a chance is this; lets say that tigers handicap is a 0 and his opponents is a 25. that means that on an average day he would shoot a 72 and his opponent a 97 to tie. thats not totally beyond reason is it??? Link to post Share on other sites
silkyjonson 1 Posted May 31, 2007 Author Share Posted May 31, 2007 I have a problem with the guy who can make 400K a year playing high, throwing away enough money to feed an African city, beause of a ridiculous notion that he can make money where no one else can. Especially if his tiny chance for success doesn't translate into helping others if he somehow succeeds. - SklanskyTranslation- I started a vague gossip laden thread because I'm a Socialist and I feel the well off are obligated to give back to society. That is bullsh1t, plain and simple.we should kill all socialists like the dogs they are! Link to post Share on other sites
Ouch-8s 4 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I wish there was a handicapping system for poker, then I too could be 30% to win. Against Tiger Woods, anyways. Link to post Share on other sites
SilentButDeadly3 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Nonsense.How is there a conflict between being a Christian and Gambling?sw??and I beat Tiger Woods daily. He's not that good.no sw, just talking about Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 sw??No sarcasm intended. I am not here to defend Christinanity nor any other Religion, but just because some people want to equate ALL Christians to the Bible thumping Hollywood stereotype doesn't make Christianity incompatible with things like gambling, drinking, capitalism, and any number of other fun things. Christianity comes in plenty of different shades. Link to post Share on other sites
GrouchPotato 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 someone on here saying that they have a 30% chance of beating Tiger Woods makes me wonder why I waste a second of my day on this forum..since I'm over twice the avergae age of the typical poster here...I'll write this one off as you people being ignorant, immature and misinformed.. That is defintely a given on all three. But back to Sklansky, the point would be that playing for huge stakes is not admirable for any rec golfer. I doubt it would be possible for DN to negotiate a certain amount of strokes that would give him a clear advantage over Ivey or anybody for that matter. So, at most he could be 50-50, which means that in Sklansky's world he shouldn't be betting so large. I think his hypothesis would also apply to 99.9% of poker players who have no clear advantage given their lack of skill at the tables. A group of individuals whom Sklansky has no doubt taken hundres of thousands of dollars from over the years. That's what makes Sklansky such a clown. His whole carrer is predicated on the very same habits that he is taking DN to task for. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 That is defintely a given on all three. But back to Sklansky, the point would be that playing for huge stakes is not admirable for any rec golfer. I doubt it would be possible for DN to negotiate a certain amount of strokes that would give him a clear advantage over Ivey or anybody for that matter. So, at most he could be 50-50, which means that in Sklansky's world he shouldn't be betting so large. I think his hypothesis would also apply to 99.9% of poker players who have no clear advantage given their lack of skill at the tables. A group of individuals whom Sklansky has no doubt taken hundres of thousands of dollars from over the years. That's what makes Sklansky such a clown. His whole carrer is predicated on the very same habits that he is taking DN to task for.Plus, I would have to say that Sklansky himself has played plenty of Poker with other players whom he would contend are as skilled as he or even better. Does that make him stupid for playing in a situation where is is not a lock to win? Link to post Share on other sites
silkyjonson 1 Posted May 31, 2007 Author Share Posted May 31, 2007 I am not knocking what sklansky is saying in his OP, there is some logic there if you sift through it but I dont think he articulates it well. What he is missing is that many of these top poker players are fiercly competitive and are always testing themselves with huge sums of money on the line, this is what makes them rise to the top.DN like many others here I'm sure pride themselves on coming through in the clutch with the money on the line, rising to the occasion even if they are a slight underdog. They don't view it as a social or financial leak, this is part of their makeup they constantly try to put themselves under the utmost pressure and see if they can come out on top. After all character is not magically inherent, it is achieved through struggle and deep down by doing these things it is viewed as building your character which will also improve your play at the tables.Take a look at Ted Forrest this guy goes out of his way to put himself in the most off the wall and difficult circumstances to see if he can emerge unscathed from it, this builds character. Now I personally have a sense of social responsibility and I would not flaunt the fact that I lost 500K on some ludicrous neutral EV or -EV bet because it would make me sick, I would be guilty over what that money could be used for and embarassed because of it. But that is just me I am not saying anyone is worse for not doing that and I am sure DN has felt the same way just maybe not made it public. That being said I have lost lots of money gambling at times and have felt very guilty about the fact that I could have gave that money to my parents who dont exactly live like millionaires.my .02 Link to post Share on other sites
SilentButDeadly3 0 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 No sarcasm intended. I am not here to defend Christinanity nor any other Religion, but just because some people want to equate ALL Christians to the Bible thumping Hollywood stereotype doesn't make Christianity incompatible with things like gambling, drinking, capitalism, and any number of other fun things. Christianity comes in plenty of different shades. Nonsense.How is there a conflict between being a Christian and Gambling?To answer your question, then, the bible directly says that gambling is a sin. That is the "conflict" in being a Christian and a Gambler. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 To answer your question, then, the bible directly says that gambling is a sin. That is the "conflict" in being a Christian and a Gambler.As I said before: Nonsense.Do you often say something as a definitive FACT just hoping nobody notices that you made something completely up?I do believe that the Bible mentions something about lying. Link to post Share on other sites
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