Most Likely To Be 'the Next Stu Ungar'

[Jam-Fly 8]

Discuss

[vbnautilus 48]

Which of his achievements are they to replicate, the wsop victories or the incredible feats of drug ingestion?

[StrippersNBlow 0]

Which of his achievements are they to replicate, the wsop victories or the incredible feats of drug ingestion?

obv the former, as Matusow, myself, and neverwin aren't in the running.

[James D 0]

Patrik Antonius?Lol... he's about as far away from Stu Ungar's character as possible. And, he's mostly a cash player.. I can't see why he's on the list.

[try__an__hit 0]

I voted Doyle Brunson

[ezelisk 0]

Two More choices to add onto that list: Phil IveyJohn Juanda

[Byan_Railey 0]

As far as I know none of these guys play GIN, so they cant be the next Stu U.

[James D 0]

It's Mark (NoSup4U) obv. Talented.... but totally off his head when he plays. I've heard he needs 2 bottles of vodka and 5 lines before he can even face turning the computer on these days. And he pays strippers to click the mouse for him.. Asian ones.

[Jam-Fly 8]

Anyone else think Tuan Le is kinda similar to Stuey? I think his poker style is pretty similar and Tuan has won 2 WPTsBtw, Andy Seth is BKiCe for those who didn't know. (how dare you not know)

[theresa113 0]

Its a weird question and even weirder choices. I don't think I could ever think of Stu Unger and NOT think of the drugs and self destruction. I think the only one who comes close (and this disheartens me to say so) is Layne Flack.

[Snamuh 0]

Which side of Stu Ungar are we talking about? The gin and poker legend? Or the drug wreck?

[Jam-Fly 8]

Which side of Stu Ungar are we talking about? The gin and poker legend? Or the drug wreck?

both

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

both

Professional gambler, drug usage, ties to organized crime - all combined to make Stu Ungar a legendary Icon for a lifestyle that fascinates people to this day. A lot has changed it the past 20 years. Gambling is much more "mainstream". Vegas is "Family friendly". Professional gamblers are no longer considered to be one step removed from being perceived as criminals. I think that any reference to Stu Ungar implies both sides of the coin, the Yin with the Yang. While there will certainly be any number of burnouts - heck MM did time on drug related charges that had "implications" of ties to organized crime - I contend that the world of professional Poker is in a bright enough light that we will never see another "Stu Ungar". Not because the Dutch Boyds and Jennicides of the world will not captivate our attention and imagination as they self destruct like slow motion train wrecks, but rather because Stu Ungar "happened" before our attention was on him. He is notorious partly because most of us learned about him from flashbacks and anecdotes.

[Miguel McHarris 0]

The only playing style you could compare to Stu on this list would be Durrrr, hyper aggressive, never fold. Personal life would be Layne Flack maybe Matusow. I'd be very surprised of either of those two were still alive in 10 yrs.

[Roberts2003 0]

The only playing style you could compare to Stu on this list would be Durrrr, hyper aggressive, never fold. Personal life would be Layne Flack maybe Matusow. I'd be very surprised of either of those two were still alive in 10 yrs.

hahahathats a pretty bold statement

[fighter 4]

No body on the list comes close to stu ungar. gus hanson was my vote because he can cut sick on the backgammon table. Althought he is not nearly enough of a misanthrope to win two wsop. Stu Ungar had such a gap between himself and everyone else as those pros have between the common players.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

I keep forgetting that he died less than 10 years ago.For some reason I could most easily imagine substituting MM's name in this Wiki excerpt:"Final yearsUngar lost all of his 1997 WSOP prize over the course of the next few months, mainly on drugs and sports betting. He attempted to give up drugs several times at the begging of Stefanie but only stayed clean for weeks at a time before using again.Before the 1998 WSOP, Baxter offered to pay his entry fee to the main event, but 10 minutes before play started, Ungar told Baxter he was tired and did not feel like playing. Ungar later said that due to his drug abuse in the weeks prior to the tournament, he felt that showing up in his current condition would be more embarrassing than not showing up at all.In the months following the 1998 WSOP, Ungar vanished from the public eye. He lived in and out of various Las Vegas hotels, rarely leaving his room. Ungar was also spotted walking around various Las Vegas poker rooms begging for money. He often said the money was to get him back on the poker tables, but would instead use it to purchase crack, which he now had to use in lieu of cocaine because his nasal membranes were so damaged he could no longer snort the drug, while crack could be smoked through a pipe. Not long after, many pros, some Ungar's former friends, refused to stake him or give him any money until he cleaned himself up. Ungar was also arrested for possession of drugs during this time.DeathUngar was found dead in his room at the Oasis Motel in Las Vegas with $800 on him, the remnants of a $25,000 loan he got from Baxter just a week earlier to put him back in action at the poker tables. Ungar had lost much of the $25,000 playing a high stakes poker game at the Bellagio but left the game with more than the $800 he was found with. It is still unknown to this day where the remainder of the money went.An autopsy showed traces of drugs in his system, but not enough to have directly caused his death. The medical examiner concluded that he had died of a heart condition brought on by his years of drug abuse.Despite winning millions during his poker career, Ungar died with no assets to his name. Friend and fellow poker player Bob Stupak took up a collection at Ungar's funeral to raise funds to pay for the services"

[Roberts2003 0]

if ungar still lived, and tried playing at any decent NL cash game, he would get crushed. The main reason he did so well back then was that the style then was conservative and had not molded to the aggressive game it is today. whoever believes otherwise is a fanboy.

[fighter 4]

if ungar still lived, and tried playing at any decent NL cash game, he would get crushed. The main reason he did so well back then was that the style then was conservative and had not molded to the aggressive game it is today. whoever believes otherwise is a fanboy.

You cant beat every comer for gin rummy by aggressive game. There is more to his game then just rasing alot. There is no WAY poker has improved that much i mean he won the WSOP less then 20 years ago.

[El Guapo 8]

These choices are retartedHer are the only ones I can think pertain.MatusowDutch BoydLyne Flack

[silkyjonson 1]

if ungar still lived, and tried playing at any decent NL cash game, he would get crushed. The main reason he did so well back then was that the style then was conservative and had not molded to the aggressive game it is today. whoever believes otherwise is a fanboy.

What made Ungar so great was his ability to pick up on and adjust to the best strategy to beat games, be it poker be it Gin or blackjack, he was great at picking up on the subtilties and adjusting. So your statement is off emmensely, he used that style back then because that was the style that worked best. He was a great player not just because he was so aggressive, but because he understood the value of aggression.

[TR1N1TY 0]

These choices are retartedHer are the only ones I can think pertain.MatusowDutch BoydLyne FlackLance Funston

[NPL_Texas 0]

What is the deal with Layne Flack? I've never heard of him being associated with drug use. Any links?

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

What is the deal with Layne Flack? I've never heard of him being associated with drug use. Any links?

Wiki Entry for Layne Flack:"Layne Flack (born May 18, 1969 in Rapid City, South Dakota) is an American professional poker player, residing in Montana and Nevada.Flack started playing cards with his grandparents, but became engrossed in the game whilst working at a casino. He would regularly go to another casino after work to play poker. Despite becoming the Night Manager in his job, he quit as he was spending too much time on poker to continue working full-time as well.He met up with Johnny Chan who helped him improve his game and, following a big loss, encouraged Flack to ensure he had a lot of rest before a tournament. He has also been mentored by Huck Seed.In 2004, Flack began experimenting with drugs. His friend, Daniel "Kid Poker" Negreanu stepped in and paid $60,000 for him to go into rehab. Flack has apparently now recovered from the experience."

[El Guapo 8]

These choices are retartedHer are the only ones I can think pertain.MatusowDutch BoydLyne Flack

One more I thought of ..... Gavin Smith