VernonME 0 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($25.95)UTG ($37.35)UTG+1 ($23.55)MP1 ($13.50)MP2 ($42.95)MP3 ($21.60)CO ($17.20)Button ($17.80)SB ($4)Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A. 3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.95, 2 folds, Button calls $0.95, SB raises to $4 Hero ?What would you do here? I've been playing tight and the table has been making loose raises Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Does the SB push his short stack often, and will he do it with AJ or AQ? I probably wouldn't call unless I knew he would. Link to post Share on other sites
docnuclear 0 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 well I wouldn't fold Ak for 16 bb against a short stack for sure. Question is : do we isolate raise ????Depending on your read of the initial PFRaiser iwould reraise or just call Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 well I wouldn't fold Ak for 16 bb against a short stack for sure. Question is : do we isolate raise ????Depending on your read of the initial PFRaiser iwould reraise or just callIf it were headsup I would definitely call, but with MP2 and button still to act (with us acting postflop out of position for the sidepot), added to the possibility that it's likely a coinflip, I could definitely find a fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 If it were headsup I would definitely call, but with MP2 and button still to act (with us acting postflop out of position for the sidepot), added to the possibility that it's likely a coinflip, I could definitely find a fold.It's likely a coinflip?AK is way ahead of an shortstack shoving range. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 AK is way ahead of an shortstack shoving range.I don't think so. This feels like a Pair. Flip the coin (or start the race) if you want to play. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 I would isolate. You're not gonna wanna be folding AK to a 16 bb shortstack, and you can't exactly put the other players on monsters. I hate just calling, since you're inviting the other 2 players to call behind, leaving you with AK OOP and a dry sidepot. If you did that, then depending on the flop texture you can bet, or check/fold, but I think it sucks. As far as how to isolate, I'm not so sure. Maybe just push. If you raise to $10 you're gonna call a push anyways, and pushing here will be a nice image play IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 I don't think so. This feels like a Pair. Flip the coin (or start the race) if you want to play.How can you put him on exactly a pair.This doesn't "feel" like anything. It's online poker, and he's just playing a shortstack. If we have a read that he only pushes with pairs, then ok, but we don't. Saying it "feels" like a pair is meaningless.Nonetheless, if he has a pair, there's enough dead money to shove. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 Pretty standard time to re-raise to about $14.- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 How can you put him on exactly a pair.This doesn't "feel" like anything. It's online poker, and he's just playing a shortstack. If we have a read that he only pushes with pairs, then ok, but we don't. Saying it "feels" like a pair is meaningless.Nonetheless, if he has a pair, there's enough dead money to shove.You're right, I did somehow miss the fact that the SB only had $4......by "somehow" I mean I had a couple of beers......reviewing, I guess the player to fear here is the MP raiser. Even with the loose play at the table, I don't like the action yet to come. At the end of the day A/K is still just a drawing hand. Unless we think we can isolate, I think this could be a Fold situation. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 You're right, I did somehow miss the fact that the SB only had $4......by "somehow" I mean I had a couple of beers......reviewing, I guess the player to fear here is the MP raiser. Even with the loose play at the table, I don't like the action yet to come. At the end of the day A/K is still just a drawing hand. Unless we think we can isolate, I think this could be a Fold situation.I really don't understand the whole "AK" is a drawing hand thing. It's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than that. It dominates a HUGE portion of any raising range, and is only significantly behind 2 hands, both of which are very unlikely due to the fact that we hold one of each of the cards required to make those hands.I think people say AK is a drawing hand because they find it hard to play postflop when they miss. The preflop equity advantage of this hand can't be denied though, and I think relying on the "it's a drawing hand" cliche is a cop out.***************In this hand, why exactly are we so scared of the original raiser?He opened a pot that was folded to him from MP2? His range is huge, unless he's a total nit. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 In this hand, why exactly are we so scared of the original raiser?He opened a pot that was folded to him from MP2? His range is huge, unless he's a total nit.I agree, we're not. He opened a pot with a standardish raise in middle position, he rarely rarely has aces or kings. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted May 27, 2007 Share Posted May 27, 2007 Nevermind. Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 You're right, I did somehow miss the fact that the SB only had $4......by "somehow" I mean I had a couple of beers......reviewing, I guess the player to fear here is the MP raiser. Even with the loose play at the table, I don't like the action yet to come. At the end of the day A/K is still just a drawing hand. Unless we think we can isolate, I think this could be a Fold situation.I think we isolate here 99% of the time if we re-raise. MP should only be calling us with AA-KK, probably QQ and maybe JJ. We have an A and K, so AA and KK are unlikely. Even if we are called by a smaller PP the extra money makes up for the fact that we are a slight underdog. Link to post Share on other sites
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