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Adam with the rant of the year so far!

Played on Planet Poker back in the day before any of you.

I don't think so.You don't need championships to evolve into a great player.See K. Garnett, J Kidd, C Paul, D Williams, A Iverson, K MaloneAll those guys significantly improved throught their first 4 years in the league and none of them sniffed a title in that time frame.Rajon Rondo and Tony Parker likely would have gone through a similar evolution with or without the titles. Wade was already a monster. As someone else said, they just happened to be in their first couple years in the league when they won the titles, then happened to continue to improve as players.

100% this. Like, ridiculously so. If and when Reggie Miller enters the Hall of fame, he will be either be the worst entrant in the history of the hall to get in, or damn close. He averaged 18, 3, and 2. There are 500 other players (exaggerating for effect) with the same stats as him. He buried a few clutch shots in Madison Square Garden. /HOF credentials

This is the event I am playing as well. We'll have to meet up sometime that day and say hi. I actually wasn't planning on withdrawing a lot of this. Let me know if this affects something you are trying to do and you need me to.

I'll be in Vegas the weekend of June 12-14. Thanks again DNA for running this, went really smooth.

A new or a 1-2 year old Accord or Camry is essentially the same thing as long as you get it from a reputable place. You likely won't have issues with either model, or for that matter, most non Chrysler makes period. I personally would never buy a new car again since it depreciates so fast in those first 1-2 years, but tons of people don't care about that and want to be the first driver, and that's fine.The industry is going to make money whether or not you lease, buy new, buy used, finance, don't finance, whatever. Do what is best for you situation and don't worry about how much money they

What? The Bulls with Jordan played in the pacers one time in the entire decade of the 1990's.

Fair statement...I agree with it

Jesus Christ, let it go already

I don't have a ton of time again:1) The numbers of players that averaged over 9 rebounds a game in the last 15 years. If you go back into the 80's, you'll probably find more. 93-94 - 2098-99 - 1403-04 - 1506-07 - 1108-09- 9I'm not saying anything about "leading his team in rebounds". I'm comparing him to Nique.2) The hand checking rule is a fair point, but overall team athleticism and team defensive concepts are so much more advanced than they were in the 80's it negates it. You don't see many slow, unathletic white guys that can just shoot and do nothing else get much playing time anymore

This is NOT adjusted for pace, which I'm pretty positive was significantly higher in the mid 80's. I'd throw in Hollinger's PER Wilkins first 6 seasons in the league:Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 1982-83 23 ATL NBA 82 82 32.9 7.3 14.9 .493 0.0 0.1 .182 2.8 4.1 .682 2.8 3.1 5.8 1.6 1.0 0.8 2.2 2.6 17.5 1983-84 24 ATL NBA 81 81 36.6 8.4 17.6 .479 0.0 0.1 .000 4.7 6.1 .770 3.1 4.0 7.2 1.6 1.4 1.1 2.7 2.4 21.6 1984-85 25 ATL NBA 81 81 37.3 10.5 23.3 .451 0.3 1.0 .309 6.0 7.4 .806 2.8 4.1 6.9 2.5 1.7 0.7 2.8 2.1 27.4 1985-86 26 ATL NBA

When Gordon gets hot, he is as streaky a scorer as there is in the league. Has been sicne he came into the league.It's a joy to watch. No one this side of JR Smith gets hotter, faster, out of nowhere, and can maintain it no matter what defense is thrown at him. He CANNOT be stopped.Does that make up for his atrociuos defense and his lack of ways to create scoring and involve his teammates on the nights he isn't sizzling (to go along with no rebounding or toughness whatsoever)? I'll let the Bulls .500 record through his five seasons as the Bulls primary scorer (with equally average NBA team

I am glad these accomplishments were listed. They really help validate the comparison.

Please let's not get started with the Lebron fanboy stuff in this thread too. The third sentence in your paragraph is totally unrelated to any Hall of Fame discussion.I mean, I get your point...would you rather a career made up of a 6 time MVP who is an average NBA player his other 10 seasons, or a 14 time All Star who is never in the top 3 of MVP voting?I think there are room for both types of players though depending on their specific accomplishments.

I don't care about any of those things (LOL @ All star MVP's). Except for titles and scoring titles, those things are all subjective based on a handful or writers who may or may not have any clue what they are doing and may or may not be biased. I'm looking at overall performance involving every aspect of the game. Hard data. Stats. Facts.

I've done some research into my claim and can determine that the only person in the history of the game to have a claim at having a better first 6 seasons is Jordan. And it's close, with most numbers giving Jordan a slight edge. So let me amend my original statement...LeBron James is having one of the two greatest first six seasons of an NBA career in NBA history, depending on where you want to rank him and Jordan.

Yes I am saying the latter. And I agree with the former.

I can ony assume that Wade isn't on the list because of some sort of minimum requirement that hasn't been hit yet. I can't find it on the site so I don't know what it is. They came in the league at the same time so that clearly isn't it, but it excludes a lot of players from that draft class except for James.Also...One of the reasons Nash is a shoo in is that he is a 2 time MVP award. However, one could argue that he didn't deserve one or both of those awards. Do you think he would be in otherwise?

Jada's post got me thinking. Here is a list of the top 15 most likely Hall of Famers (active players only ) from basketball-reference.com.The question:If they retired TODAY, who's in, who's out? If you want to expand by talking about who you think will get in based off of their future performance, that's cool...but I don't see how there's anyway to know right now if Gilbert Arenas will end up being a Hall of Famer.1. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000 2. Tim Duncan 1.0000 3. Kobe Bryant 1.0000 4. Kevin Garnett 1.0000 5. Allen Iverson 1.0000 6. LeBron James 0.9993 7. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9984 8. Steve Nash 0

I think it goes without saying that Lebron doesn't have the longetivity of other established Hall of Famers. He's played six NBA seasons. In those six NBA seasons he has had historic accomplishments which have never been seen before. It has been the most dominant six year stretch of any player in NBA history, and it's also his first six years in the league. Based on his accomplishments alone on the court so far, he is already a top 50 NBA player of all time. With three more great seasons, he will move into the top 10. There's no way to know how his body will respond when he reaches his 3

This.

Just wanted to post a funny Seinfeld clip

When Rose chimes in and insults your game you know it is ON