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It's a pretty bad flop, but you're still a coinflip against his range and getting 3:1 on a push. Imo once you've got half your stack in pre, you have to push the flop no matter what. Don't second guess yourself.

I would either take a stab on the flop, or just check it down all the way. To be honest, your line would be a good one to take if you had the nuts because no one will believe you. But for the same reason, it's not a good line to take as a bluff. That's just my opinion though. Actually I've probably never tried bluffing in this sort of spot. Did it work out for you?

In my experience, people at the micro stakes will almost always bet their busted draws in this spot (and check behind weak made hands that have showdown value). Betting with nothing may be a good play too since someone taking your line will often have hands considerably weaker than pocket kings that might not even beat a bluff (you could easily have something like 99TJ or 89TJ here). But holding an overpair, I think this is a fairly standard check-call river bluff-catching spot. I would probably call with top pair too. With JJ or less, it would truly be a hero call in my opinion.

sry double post, pls disregard

If he is betting 2-pair on the river, then he should have bet it on the turn if he had it then, so the only way he can have two pair is if he made it with the 4 If he made Queens and 4s there's still a good chance that he bets the turn with top pair It's hard to give him many combos with 24, 84, 47, or 56 that would have called the flop. If he had a pair+flush draw on the flop, I think he raises the flop.. it could be a naked flush draw that happened to contain 47 or 56.. other hands are possible but don't seem to make a lot of sense,And this is an obvious bluffing spot if he has complete air

Betting the turn looks good. He can't really have a strong hand after bet-calling 1/6 pot on the flop and checking the turn. Since you've improved your hand and your pair of Jacks figures to be good quite often, I would bet the pot on the turn. If he has an unimproved overpair you will be putting him to a tough decision. And no matter what he has, he will always have outs to beat you, so you need to bet for protection/ value.EDIT: oh yeah, and fold preflop.

I would call and see a flop. 4-betting is not bad if you know that CO often 3-bets light. Against a tight player I wouldn't do it though.

Your point about bet sizing is quite true, and maybe this does weight it more towards a call on the river. Still, I don't particularly see why villain can't have A6 or Q6 here.. But yeah, his bet sizing is consistent with AA so I guess calling is ok.

It doesn't hurt to have sets in your range when you call on flops like this. You shouldn't do it every time, but it's not a bad play to have in your hat. It might save you some money when he has AA and the board comes off with scare cards, and it might induce action from weaker hands later.For example, if the board pairs the turn, he might bet out to represent a fullhouse thinking that you will fold all your draws. Or maybe he will pay off with a weaker hand thinking that you can't have a set because you called the flop. Maybe he leads on blank turns with draws or two-pair hands because he thi

Once it gets check-raised this isn't a big fold at all, it's an easy fold. And I think betting it on the flop in 5-way pot would be a mistake too. So you played it perfectly in my opinion.

I think the river is an easy raise. There is no reason to assume he has you beat and your hand doesn't look like a full-house, so I think you get called light here.

Over my lifetime, I'm a pretty big winner at fullring PLO, but a loser at 6max. I think it's because I play a basically nut-peddling strategy at fullring, with selective aggression, but at 6max I crank up the aggression too much. It seems like at 6max you should play more aggressive, but people generally realize this and are willing to call or play back at you light so your aggression doesn't achieve the goal. Is it better at 6-max to just play the same basic full-ring strategy, but just to take a few more stabs at pots and open up your flop calling requirements slightly?Does anyone have any i

But at these stakes i don't think you get people folding suited aces that often. There's probably greater value in having people come in with lower flush draws that will pay you off when you hit. I don't think a pot raise is bad by the way,but I probably wouldn't do it myself.

I think you can raise the pot on the flop and probably take it down most of the time. I know people are always afraid that this .02 bet is a big hand trying to induce a raise, but that's almost never the case in my experience.

You can't very well fold with this flop and the stack sizes what they are. But I'm not sure if I open raise with this hand UTG. It's really a speculative hand since your looking for either a king or Ahxh on the flop. Sure an unimproved pair of kings will win once in a while, but being out of position kind of negates this since it will be harder to protect your hand on later streets. I think I would either limp or open for a min raise to try to get a multiway pot.

I don't think I would fold this without a read on the opponent. I've seen too many people at this level play any 8 like it's the nuts.

Yeah, I had this thought too. If he has T9 there's a 50% chance that he also has the Td, and he's probably checking all non-nut flushes, so betting the river is pretty marginal.

This would be true against one opponent, but here there are two opponents, one of whom probably has the straight with a possible free roll, the other likely has a set - this puts hero's equity somewhere in the 30-40% range. Given op's read that the sb wouldn't lead the turn without the nuts, then the call on the turn is fine. I think possibly you can bet the river here when they check to you. I don't think either of them has a flush, and you may get sb to fold the same straight.

Yeah I guess the problem with this play is that when the money goes in you're never a big favorite, and sometimes you're completely crushed (higher overpair with fd). With Aces and a flush draw, the play would make more sense because sometimes you're a dominating favorite and you're never worse than 30-70. It's a tough hand to play out of position - that's why they suggest folding this hand preflop.

I don't hate the check raise, but by playing this way you'll end up stacking off a lot with 30-40% equity. You make up for this when the checkraise takes the pot down. I guess it's +EV, but I'm not convinced it's optimal.

This is possible. It's also possible that he backed into a weird two pair and made a boat while chasing some other draw. I think against an unknown at this level, the river must be a fold. If you have a read that he's a donk who would bet a non-nut flush for value or make a random bluff, then call.

why would he take a free card holding the nuts on the turn?

It's an interesting question. With the 2-flush flop, the chance of folding out small flush draws is a reason for betting. On the other hand, we get raised more as a semi-bluff, so if we are folding to a raise, we will be making a mistake more often. Also, when called, flush cards hitting on the turn will cause us to freeze, stopping us from getting value when our hand is good, or allowing us to get bluffed out, or giving villain a free card to draw out. Without the 2-flush our hand has more value against a random hand, so there is more incentive to bet for value/ fold equity. Also fewer cards

Flatting the river is fine once villain checks. If he raises you will call with A9/AQ/AJ and fold everything else (99 and QQ are not really in your range anyway, and from villain's perspective there is only one combo of JJ which would be an obvious fold to the c/r). When you fold there is no difference in his EV between calling and raising, we don't care about AJ because it's a chop, and A9 and AQ are both equally likely, so raising ends up having a neutral expectation. If he has a 9 in his hand, that even makes calling clearly correct.This assumes of course that you are a good player who woul

Check call flop, check fold turn unimproved doesn't seem bad. A lead on the flop may be better to make villain define his hand, but if he raises we probably have to fold. I don't mind either line, really.