Vman96

I am pretty tight in the SB when facing a raise, so I would muck this predraw. As played, probably muck after the first draw too. As for after the 3rd draw, its probably a check/call. If he just stood pat on only the last draw, then bet/call.

Muck predraw. Problem Solved.As played though, not much you can do here. 3 betting isn't terrible on the last round, just unlucky.

Hand 1 is alright: the odds you are ahead arent clear. If you are ahead, you gain one. If you are behind you could lose 2.Hand 2: After the 1st draw you played it ok.Hand 3: Raise predraw. After the first draw, just calling is ok, but if you had a 1 card 7 draw, i would raise. Last two betting rounds are ok.Hand 4: Breaking the rough 8 going into the second draw isnt a terrible idea, here. Either way is marginal. But as played, no way in hell you bet after the 3rd draw. BB is very dangerous here considering the predraw action. He probably has 3 ranks he can beat you with. SB proba

Stars can be very aggro, thats for sure. You may have missed value here checky, but even aggro donks occasionally wake up with 7s. But I like your line here...because of this. If you cap before the 3rd draw, and if your opponent has something like 87xx2, he might get convinced to break to draw to a 7. So instead of a 100% chance of winning a $110 pot, you now have an 85%ish chance to win a $130 pot. At stars though, it takes a special player for me to break 87xx2. Don't let him slay your dragon...lol If the guy would never raise-bluff (and its probably unlikely...but I have caught rais

This is a good point checky...when I used to play a crapload of low-limit PLO8 back in the Prima days, one of the favorite things to do was jam all my money in on the flop with a flush/low draw and get top set all pissed off because he figured he was wayyyyyyyyyy ahead. Athough at the stakes I played...that was like an avg. EV of $1.6 in that scenario given $40 buyins...

Donks can get lucky once in awhile...it happens. You should have seen me at the triple draw tables tonight...lol Find a better spot.

At this limit, and this ante size I probably muck both of them. Risk a buck on a raise to win 90 cents? Now if the ante was double or triple this...then it might be worth it.

UTG+1 is the raiser...so he probably has A3 + something. But it could easily be as little as A23 which you are crushing at the moment. And you are even beating AA3 at the moment. Raise and then if he 3-bets back, then you can slow down. And if that happens, I raise the turn on a complete brick if he bets into you again. If he has A399, A344, or A322...then thats just unlucky. If he has something like A35 with 2 spades, then thats not good either, but you'll quickly become the fave again if the turn bricks. You have a monster heads up on the flop and there are VERY FEW hands you are sign

Who said we wanted to limit the field? We're raising for VALUE. Live O8 is terrible. We almost certainly have the best hand preflop...2nd best at worst. Make 89KQ pay to see the flop.As for post flop, yeah, i peel one off here, hoping for an ace, 2 or a low diamond.

Raise flop, jam turn, call river. River sucks, but that happens unfortunately

I dunno how "standard" this is. This could be just the nut flush pushing you around. Folding is a safe play...but if UTG really sucks...you could be getting half...or 3/4ths here. If he had A3 diamonds, I would think he might c/r the flop...I know I would...or bet out. At least if you fold here you'll be able to get a fairly cheap read on UTG as he will be forced to showdown.

Yeah for high-limit games, I think this is a good play, as long as your opponent isnt an idiot. Your typical opponent isn't limping in with a hand that hits ANY of this board unless he has AKW (W=wheel card)...and he'll let you know if he hit there.

Same here with the pounding...may even fold the flop. Depends on the number of callers. Even getting 12-13 to 1 is very marginal here.

I agree. This covers both kinds of opponents very well. I suggest a similar line...but this was only for a player that knew what he was doing...Potting into you so you do raise and he gets all his money in on the flop like he wants to with two cards to come and has an equity edge! Against someone who may not realize you have AA...mr. nice guy's suggestion is very good.

Out of position, raising this preflop is asking for trouble with no low potential. Late position, pot raises are okay, IMO.As for the original post. This is fine for a 4 way all-in.

Since you two are so deep, I would be tempted to wait for a safe turn card. 234x with two clubs is a real threat on the flop here. I know PLO8 at pacific is horrendous...I have played it a few times, and I wish they had lower limits, but still...youre probably a coin flip at best. For this hand though, I think a high non club is a "safe" turn card. Unless he has the balls to call your reraise preflop with KQTx

Jeez...sounds like your flush draw was live...

Ditto.

I have to disagree here. Hands like 5678 which are acceptable for PLO are much less valuable in Limit Omaha because the guaranteed multiway nature of the game (i.e. any flush draw is no good and you could end up losing to higher straights). I love when I see people play hands like this in Limit Omaha.

They are a slight favorite against hands designed to "crack aces" usually. Heads up you really aren't making too bad of a decision to get all-in here, unless you're up against a better AA, which is possible but not too likely heads up. I often see retards at the lower limits with 25bb's or less in cash games jam with KKxx which you are a BIG favorite, so this fact alone should make you happy to get your money in the pot with AAxx.

You definitely can argue with numbers because... My guess is he factored this in poorly. I say the only post-flop callers are an overpair or trips....or a good low draw. I am definitely not convinced. If all I am drawing to is the nut flush on a paired board, I sure as hell better be getting 6 to 1 or greater, or I think I am bleeding money. And in a tight game, that just isnt happening that often.

The second is a ridiculously easy fold. The first....ugh...It depends on if you think someone else has A3. I don't mind a fold here, but wouldn't criticize a call here. The repot though worries me that we are already just drawing for half. I would rather wait for a better spot given the action, unless they are donkeys.

If you are going to play it that way...you probably should check/fold the flop too. Why waste money if you're gonna fold when you "hit" anyway?Being 6 handed to the flop...that line isn't a terrible idea though. If the game was shorter, I might be c/r'ing the flop here. I hate bottom set...in multiway pots, check/folding is never a bad play....and definitely the low variance play.

If this was only true...I'd be playing craps all the time....as craps would be +EV....the odds pay 6:5 on a 6 or 8. Game is still pretty fun though...but I am intimidated as hell to play it, and I play pass line only.

I don't religiously use this...but my starting hand requirements closely mimic his requirements. It's a decent system to help guide you to appropriate starting hands in full-ring low-limit O8.