[wsop2--5 winner is a cheapskate!]

The reason tipping exists is because it is a known fact that service industry wages are pathetic and need to be bolstered. Really? T-o I-nsure P-roper S-ervice. Otherwise known as tips. Restaurant wages are not pathetic, the waitstaff is payed a wage and depending on what state it is anywhere from 2.00 to 7.00 an hour plus tips. If anybody actually read my very first post ever I never made a correlation between a restaurant tip and what should be done here. Never said that. All I said is what I WOULD HAVE DONE. Of course that stems from working for tips, because what goes around truly comes around. You guys are truly missing the point here. It is a situation where a person can do two things- he can either reach into his now very deep pockets or he can be an ass. One person earlier mentioned that he had left a tip but took it back after his friends pulled him aside. I can already imagine what was said to make him change his mind.( Dude,dealers already got 2% leaving them more would not be very +EV) Large partys have done this to me as well, when a 15% gratuity is added and a person wants to bump it up to 20% the persons that are usually the broke asses that are not even paying point out that 15% is already added. Sometimes the person paying says, "Yes, but he really took care of us and I would like to leave him 20%." Other times they do the opposite- Which group do you think I personally consider has more class? Seriously, there is alot of money here no doubt- but it is not like that is it for the guy. Think about e verything else that he is going to benefit from this and then realize precisely why I would hook up the beautiful people that made this happen for me.

I have to totally disagree ... TIPS are not To Insure Proper Service ...Tips are a reward for excellent service. It is "your" (not you personally) job To Insure Proper Service. I typically tip very well because I typically get very good service. I ussually tip in the area of 20%, and they don't have to do much to get that. If I get bad service I tip less, rarely none at all, but if I am forced to tip that is all you get unless something extaordinary happens.The service Industry is out of contol at times with tips ... when the cashier at the mall food joint expects a tip things have gone to far ...Enough of a rant flame away

Actually in the earlier days of restaurant dining people tipped before they even ordered. Why? To insure proper service- I just wet myself it feels so good to be right. Out of sheer curiosity what do you think the letters stand for?

[wsop2--5 winner is a cheapskate!]

Think about e verything else that he is going to benefit from this and then realize precisely why I would hook up the beautiful people that made this happen for me.

What are you talking about? The "beautiful people who made this happen for me"? All they did was organize a tournament (which they got paid handsomely for, by the way) and the dealers dealt the cards. If you won the tournament, how did THEY make that happen? You plopped down your $10k just like everyone else, and the casino got their cut to accomodate you at a table. YOU played your cards and won the tournament.It seems to me that you give the organizers and staff a little too much credit for what has happened there. You speak as if they did it for free.

Creating goodwill and positive Karma. Think about it it will come to you when the pubes start sprouting.

[leaving tips for staff]

They will also see your next movie- and the next- and you have created a situation that is only positive. Can anyone tell me how this created a good situation for this guy, except for he has more money than he would if he had?

This is totally flawed "logic". So...if I tip the dealers...they will deal to me at the next tourny I lay 10 grand to play ? If I don't...guess what...they still do. Where is my "good situation"? What level of service can I expect in the future ? Oh...exactly the same. Answer the question. How has he created anything positive. ANYTHING? NO? Did not think so. Let's see your good situation- where is your good situation- ummmmmm...... YOU JUST WON 7.5 MILLION F ING DOLLARS!!!!! There has not been a good argument posted yet for being cheap- I say sound off. Everyone. Just type in cheap or not cheap, and this will be all over. Or you could go with Douche or not Douche. Assclown or not. Get it, got it, good.

[leaving tips for staff]

There's nothing more pathetic than a dealer explaining to players why they owe them charity.If you entered the "card dealing" industry with the expectation that people would dish out a tip on every pot that they took down, you need to rethink what a tip is. You should be fortunate that people are as willing to tip as they are on account of their own guilt and insecurities. Believe me, the vast majority of tips that you get as a dealer won't be because people legitimately feel that you've earned it; it's because they dont want to stand out as a cheap skate. If you rely on tips for a living wage and people aren't tipping as well as you had hoped, maybe you should rethink your career choice, instead of blaming people for not giving gratuities for providing a service that they're already paying for in the form of a rake.Do you know WHY your base wages at the casino are low? Because people tip so excessively. When people tip, the employers can afford to offer lower wages and still have people fill the jobs. If the average tip combined with your base wage wasn't worth your time, you would be inclined to leave your job, as would other dealers in your position. If that were the case, you would start seeing a decrease in the supply of dealers and casinos would be forced to increase the base wage in order to attract dealers back to the occupation. Your marginal product is essentially what decides what your wage is. If you think you're worth more than what you're earning in terms of after-tip income, then FIND ANOTHER JOB. As the average level of tips goes down, supposing the collective dealership has any dignity and sense of self worth, your career decisions will equilibriate the base wage up such that your total wage will be identical to what it would be with more generous clientelle.To blame individuals for tipping less than what you've come to expect is absurd. It's probably an indication that you're expecting too much in the way of tips. [/b]

Hey Abadabba since your so smart tell me one poker book that tells you to not tip. One. Just one. PLEASE. ONE. NO? Thought so. Idiot.

[leaving tips for staff]

The only problem I see with the comparison between the restaurant industry and poker dealers is that most of the servers at restaurants that I know only make alittle over 2 dollars an hour.......their wages are dependent on tips. I don't know how well dealers get paid in Vegas, but I have known a few dealers from up in the Chicago area, and I know they aren't making only 2 dollars an hour. I think the dealers are just becoming greedy in expecting tips for doing the job they are supposed to do. Also with the 3% already taken out, why would there be any need for an extra tip. As stated before, the dealers made close to 3k each for their time at the WSOP.....I don't see any problem with not leaving a tip. Call me cheap, but thats my opinion. Seriously, I have said it before and I guess I have to say it again- I never compared this situation to a restaurant!!!!! NEVER! Read the posts please before you respond, and calling you cheap would just be pointing out the obvious. All I am advocating is a more generous sense of goodwill and the idea that what goes around comes around. Is that so hard to comprehend?

[leaving tips for staff]

To the dealers - You don't honestly believe that you deserve $1 or $2 above and beyond your base pay for dealing a single hand of cards? Is your base pay _that_ low? If you expect someone to tip on every hand that you deal, that's asking for way too much. You'd be making something completely absurd for the level of skill and effort required for a job like that.I mean, i know waiters expect 15%, but they also do a lot more work for that 15% than a dealer does for a single hand of cards, and their base salary is often well below minimum wage. At low stakes tables, a dollar or two tip per a hand won can often make the difference between being a winning player and being a losing player.

No. I expect twenty percent every table every time, and I deliver the service to deserve it. I have repeat guests that leave me well over that on a weekly basis, and I take care of them better than other guests- they get better attention and even better service then the great service I provide to everyone else. So, to anyone saying that they do not like it when dealers do not treat them the same as people who tip them you should expect nothing less than just that. Your making a point to say F.U. why should they not do the same? All that being said I already stated where I stood with this 100 dollar issue. Here is a little story- On the set of Rushmore Bill Murray took members of the cast out to dinner, and it was a generally new crop of stars.( Jason Schwartzman and company.) Bill left a 100% tip and explained why as he did it and advocated they do the same at all times. He said think about it as press- this server will tell his friends and it will get around. They will see your movie and who knows how many other people based just on this one gesture- which you can more than afford anyway. They will also see your next movie- and the next- and you have created a situation that is only positive. Can anyone tell me how this created a good situation for this guy, except for he has more money than he would if he had?

[wsop2--5 winner is a cheapskate!]

When you go to a restaurant that adds the 15% gratuity on to the bill, do you give any extra or just pay the 15% on the check?I wouldnt leave any extra if I was Hachem, the tournament staff did just fine with their 2%.

Yeah, I would expect something like this from someone who chooses to reside in ALBEUCUERQE.

[wsop2--5 winner is a cheapskate!]

The reason tipping exists is because it is a known fact that service industry wages are pathetic and need to be bolstered. Really? T-o I-nsure P-roper S-ervice. Otherwise known as tips. Restaurant wages are not pathetic, the waitstaff is payed a wage and depending on what state it is anywhere from 2.00 to 7.00 an hour plus tips. If anybody actually read my very first post ever I never made a correlation between a restaurant tip and what should be done here. Never said that. All I said is what I WOULD HAVE DONE. Of course that stems from working for tips, because what goes around truly comes around. You guys are truly missing the point here. It is a situation where a person can do two things- he can either reach into his now very deep pockets or he can be an ass. One person earlier mentioned that he had left a tip but took it back after his friends pulled him aside. I can already imagine what was said to make him change his mind.( Dude,dealers already got 2% leaving them more would not be very +EV) Large partys have done this to me as well, when a 15% gratuity is added and a person wants to bump it up to 20% the persons that are usually the broke asses that are not even paying point out that 15% is already added. Sometimes the person paying says, "Yes, but he really took care of us and I would like to leave him 20%." Other times they do the opposite- Which group do you think I personally consider has more class? Seriously, there is alot of money here no doubt- but it is not like that is it for the guy. Think about e verything else that he is going to benefit from this and then realize precisely why I would hook up the beautiful people that made this happen for me.

[wsop2--5 winner is a cheapskate!]

No- and by the way that is retarded. I said what I would do. I would be so happy that I won millions of dollars that I personally would spread some wealth to people that helped make it happen, because that is the manner in which I conduct myself.

[wsop2--5 winner is a cheapskate!]

I have lurked on this website for months and never bothered to create a user account because I am lazy, but I really want to put my two cents in on this issue . I am a restaurant server, it is the only job I have ever really done, it pays well enough and allows me time to pursue other interests and still take care of buisness. However, the only noticeable income I receive is in tips, so it is a subject that tends to stir me up. Some observations- #1 At some point in this thread somebody observed that the winner is not from the U.S. and therefore may not be aware of tipping standards. This may very well be true- I always cringe when europeans sit at my tables because it generally means im about to be screwed. #2 Someone mentioned that he was sure Tiger tips well- B.S. Thank god he has not shown up for the last few years but when he used to bother showing up for the Phoenix Open it was well known in the service industry that he and his family routinely left disproportionate tips. Incidentally, this is not un common with celebrities, personally I would rather wait on Joe Nobody. #3 I mentioned tipping standards. What are the tipping standards for winning a pot, which is essentially what happened- he took down a big pot. I know for myself I probably overtip and I do it on overall winnings for a session- if it is a losing session I tip anyway for service rendered. From my own perspective I would have been so happy that I won I would have automatically tipped 100,000- really, why not? Im going to get it right back in endorsement deals, high dollar freeroll opportunities , appearances- the money train is just starting for me at that point!