[Hand #220.]

Helppi had a trip 5's. Hellmuth didnt. End of story.

Uhhh no. End of story. Not nearly that simple. Helppi seems to be playing ultra agressive and somehow I doubt he would further reraise 55 instead of cold calling and allowing Hellmuth to go broke with ace or fire again on turn. He could have had 5 but probably ace instead or possibly nothing. Hellmuth is regarded as tight player so obviously he is playing on that and it is working. Hellmuth probably had nothing as well or pocket pair.

[.25/.50nl, Jq Tpgk]

i understand the obligation angle - i just don't see too many non-air hands that play like this all the way to the river that we are now ahead of that would feel obligated even with such good odds. i mean, even if the villain oddly played something like 99/TT, or now finds his 8x (x not being J) counterfeited, it still seems like he'd be really pressed to call even getting better than 3-1 with trips/house, str8, and flush all being possible hands that beat him. Jx and overpair definitely pays a push off here - but man, that would be a really odd way to play them.

There arent even many JX hands we have beat with so many undercards, most logical being J9 and J10. If villian is bluffing he's not calling any more anyways, call the bet on the river. Every draw hit, including straight on turn. Maybe at these stacks a push is profitable in some situations but it would be good to not get in the habit of it because as you progress then these are kinds of pushes that will kill you. Of course you dont have much left in stack but better to save 15-20BB if possible because this board is not a friendly one against villian's agression unless he is weak or overly agressive with mediocre hands.

[I Am The King Of The Passives (3/6)]

I think river bet is weakish (ie TP or counterfeited two pair) but it could also be value bet. He might throw a weak value bet due to the fact you seem extremely weak in this hand and probably wouldn't call much else. Bet/call, check/call and check appears like overcards with a flush draw to me or a middle pair such as 1010. If you reraise I think he's possibly folding TP but of course not folding any hands that you are beat too so I'm not sure how valuable it is. Just call.

[Fulltilt Rakeback]

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[Suggestion]

Not sure if anyone does this or if it has been suggested but when posting hands it would be valuable info to include your own PT stats in hand. Not sure if this is possible to obtain for specific hands unless you have Gametime active and mark your stats down when hand occurs, but it would be nice. If this is not possible, do what some do and at least try to explain how you've been playing. PT stats would be nice though because explaining yourself as "tight" and "agressive" doesn't always cut it or is enough. Your own perception of yourself often differs from others so PT stats would be handy.

[Interesting Hand Bodog 3/6]

Make them pay for their hands on this very coordinated and draw heavy board. Half pot and maybe one will come over top with draw or whatever they have sensing weakness. Since one of villians you are in against has already called when way behind in a previous hand, he will probably do the same, especially when you go from 2/3 pot bet to half. Give off an aroma of weakness and youll get a call from SB and who knows what from BB. Then again, if you bet half BB will have odds for flush draw, no?So maybe bet a tad more.

[3 To The River..]

see that's the thing, if we were to C/Reraise the C/R here, it's very easy for AA and AQ to fold.Edit: If we're not leading this flop I actually would prefer to just call the flop and bet the turn.

Against a competent player, yes, I agree. Opponent seems far from it though and I cant see AQ or AA folding to another 3X check reraise with an opponent who was dumb enough to check raise such a board in the first lace with two callers who aren't maniacs.

[Blueberry Danish (1/2)]

Calling river seems poor. Yes, he sees how scary the board is for you and could be taking advantage but name one hand you can call with and beat that he would limp with preflop logically. 10J?Thats about it for things he would be calling with OOP on flop. JQ and Q10 maybe but you said he was competent, not a fish/poor player. Raise or fold but you're VERY right about his comment. Seems weak, very weak. I think instead of chasing straight he was slowplaying 8, expecting to check/raise turn. However you foiled his plans and now the board is a tad scarier for him. Thuse he makes bet expecting he is ahead but slightly scared of 7 he doesn't hold.

[Jj Pretty Deep]

Just call. Villain had KQ. You wouldn't have gotten him to call a raise though, probably not even a min.

Given stats, if villian has KQ he would be more prone to push over reraise not fold. Sees 49 percent of flops and 4 agression. Seems LAG to me.I am concerned that he only raises 10 percent of hands though and has thrown in reraise preflop here. Call river. I think he has AK most of time but QQ or KK enough times to prevent us from pushing or reraising river.Also doubt villian has any sort of two pair including KQ after such a low p-flop raise percentage to begin with, let alone not including reraising.

[Another Wonderful Ak Hand.]

well if he's a "calling fish" like you said, he'd probably call you down here w/ any pair, bottom or top, or quads right?Check behind... and try to get into a hand w/ him where you have the nutzzzzz and get him to put his stack in.BTW, i've ran into this anomoly before... one guy literally called my river bet w/ the 2nd nuts... I was very upset, just because that idiot won a hand off of me. The nuts was Quads, btw...

I've seen people cold call river with absolue nuts including nut straight and A-high flush on unpaired board, even with no SF possibility. I find it amusing when they chase it down to big bets but cold call the river.As for hand, dont value bet river. Honestly is that even a choice? If he's got A-Rag then theres chance he paired kicker and if he had a busted straight or flush draw then he's probably not calling. Even if he "calls down" with anything I doubt hes calling with some sort of 9 high draw that missed. There's always chance he is checking some sort of quality hand even though you stated he was passive. P-flop, raise more, and if he calls with anything then why aren't you betting the flop since you're almost always good? Since you didn't bet flop I check turn and check river.

[Kqs - Did I Play This Screwy?]

Villain is 35/10/5 over 50 hands.Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP ($51.97)CO ($76.66)Hero ($47.25)SB ($16.62)BB ($30.40)UTG ($65.18)Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, K. SB posts a blind of $0.25. UTG raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, 2 folds.Flop: ($8.75) 5, 3, 4(2 players)UTG bets $5, Hero raises to $15, UTG raises to $25, Hero calls $10.Turn: ($58.75) 5(2 players)UTG calls $36.18 (All-In), Hero calls $18.25 (All-In).River: ($113.18) A(2 players, 2 all-in)Final Pot: $113.18Given size of villain's preflop raise, I put him on a medium pp (88-JJ) preflop. Given that read, I'm a favorite on the flop. What do you think of my raise? I figured if my read was wrong I could fold overs that missed, but if my read was right, I didn't mind a push given my (assumed) statistical edge. I was obviously committed on the turn. Should I have just called on the flop and risked being pushed off my draw on the turn? Should I have pushed on the flop, given my edge? Was my raise okay? Help!

At this limit its hard to pinpoint a villian on any sort of raising hand with p-flop raise. Raising 8BB is unusual but doesnt mean he has a medium pocket pair. This bet could be based on his personal playing style or texture of table. If there are commonly plenty of limpers then he might not want to go to flop with a premium pair against more then one guy.I would usually fold KQs to 8BB raise from opponent who raises only 10 percent of their hands unless we were both deep stacked. However, his high agression is also an added plus of calling as it indicates higher reward for risk if you hit a hand.As for flop, I like the reraise as his continuation bet screams weakness (5 dollars into 9 dollar pot?) Sometimes I like to cold call and try taking it on the turn though as this accomplishes taking a cheap card and putting him to the test of firing out again or checking. However, as played, when he further reraises I probably come over top. Unless he has same flush draw you do with ace, I cant see him calling with overcards, thus preventing your overcards from being dominated to solely flush draw purposes. Of course he will probably call with middle pairs but that makes your K and Q draws good.

[3 To The River..]

We don't know he's leading for us usually. We checked before it got to him. Button limped to start and then called the blinds raise preflop. There's no indication that he's going to bet this flop.Leading this flop Shed disguises our hand as a feeler bet where as cold calling or reraising a reraise is going to say, "hi, i've got the nuts here." It gives the blind a reason to get away TPTK. taking the lead on a pot where we are likely to find some one who has hit a piece of it, it's better to lead and allow villians to price themselves into later street calls.

Thats why we lead the pot or at least reraise if we check (although checking this flop is bad) and then face a reraise. A check raise means strength and if he is check raising AQ or AA then he probably thinks theyre the nuts. I doubt hes reraising AQ however and AA would be strange also but regardless he'd probably be happy to throw in his money with either hand.

[Ft 200k]

That's horrible. You literally finished on bubble. 118, top 117 get paid. Wow. not sure if I can fault him though, nut flush draw and OESD turned into TP, nut flush draw and OESD.

[3 To The River..]

I agree with most of what you said which is why I said you should if anything only cold call river and I said I would most certainly call on river if we were heads up. You also stated you would get a call 90% of the time on the flop if you pushed so why didnt you? (or did you mean only if hands I suggested were involved?) I wouldn't go extreme as pushing but throwing in a further reraise to price out some draws to the split (910, 10J, etc) would be a good idea. Your nuts are still vulnerable so you should build the pot further on the flop when youre sure you have nuts instead of cold calling.

[The Running Of The Semi-bluffs (1/2)]

1.)I like idea in first hand but by saying the opponent is weak do you mean passive or do you mean bad poker player? If he plays weak (passive) then the turn bet doesn't seem like such a great idea as it paired the board and he could be value betting his FH. If he's weak as in bad player then his bet appears to be weakness. One question: did you make a mistake in labling MP3 as MP2 in first hand or the other way around? If MP3 made reraise and then bet then I'm not sure I bluff because he doesn't have much of a stack left and could be apt to call it off with a weak king or 10 or middle pair.If MP2 made reraise and then bet then it's much better because he has plenty more to lose behind him.2.)Second hand is well played. BB has lots to lose and seems to have caught part of flop. Same goes for button. However due to button's loose tendencies and other villian being in BB, it is unlikely either have monsters. 9 is scare card for anyone who has caught a pair on flop and I can't see either calling this reraise with less then two pair. Worse case scenario still leaves you with flush draw and maybe even overcards as outs.3.) Not a fan of this hand but based on your read it seems you could be making right play. I think hand success in this one is based on villians ability to lay down what could be a pair along with gutshot or some other weakish hand. If you are viewed as tight he will probably lay down plenty of hands which have you beat, enough to make this hand +EV.

[Ft 200k]

Gone and pissed about it. Made two good reads and got ***** slapped for them. It happens.3 hands. Lost two when I had them dominated and a third coinflip. First and last hands were read orientated (and a little desperation as shortstack for last one not to mention opponent's garbage play). First hand occured directly after he pushed in 3 way all in and main pot to JJ and side to AQ after flop was Q high and JJ went runner runner straight. Seems like a poor call but I was positive he was on tilt and an obvious steal.Full Tilt Poker Game #825457699: $200,000 Guarantee! (4950720), Table 29 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:35:51 ET - 2006/07/23Seat 1: cudd517 (2,800)Seat 2: CounselorEp (3,325)Seat 3: get_that (3,075)Seat 4: princedvs (2,730)Seat 5: abecai (5,165)Seat 6: All In Kevin (1,980)Seat 7: Outland9 (2,825)Seat 8: ZO (4,120)Seat 9: Beat Man (980)Beat Man posts the small blind of 30cudd517 posts the big blind of 60The button is in seat #8*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to cudd517 [Td Ks]CounselorEp foldsget_that foldsprincedvs foldsabecai foldsAll In Kevin foldsOutland9 foldsZO foldsBeat Man raises to 980, and is all incudd517 calls 920Beat Man shows [8h Tc]cudd517 shows [Td Ks]*** FLOP *** [8d 3d 3c]*** TURN *** [8d 3d 3c] [8s]*** RIVER *** [8d 3d 3c 8s] [Qd]Beat Man shows a full house, Eights full of Threescudd517: lol...cudd517 shows two pair, Eights and ThreesBeat Man wins the pot (1,960) with a full house, Eights full of Threescudd517: nice push*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1,960 | Rake 0Board: [8d 3d 3c 8s Qd]Seat 1: cudd517 (big blind) showed [Td Ks] and lost with two pair, Eights and ThreesSeat 2: CounselorEp didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: get_that didn't bet (folded)Seat 4: princedvs didn't bet (folded)Seat 5: abecai didn't bet (folded)Seat 6: All In Kevin didn't bet (folded)Seat 7: Outland9 didn't bet (folded)Seat 8: ZO (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 9: Beat Man (small blind) showed [8h Tc] and won (1,960) with a full house, Eights full of ThreesFull Tilt Poker Game #825479331: $200,000 Guarantee! (4950720), Table 29 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:42:59 ET - 2006/07/23Seat 1: cudd517 (1,790)Seat 2: CounselorEp (4,195)Seat 3: get_that (555)Seat 4: princedvs (4,980)Seat 5: abecai (5,425)Seat 6: All In Kevin (1,930)Seat 7: Outland9 (2,825)Seat 8: ZO (3,340)Seat 9: Beat Man (1,960)All In Kevin posts the small blind of 40Outland9 posts the big blind of 80The button is in seat #5*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to cudd517 [Ad Jd]ZO foldsOutland9: like I was sayingBeat Man foldscudd517 raises to 200CounselorEp foldsget_that raises to 555, and is all inprincedvs foldsabecai has 15 seconds left to actabecai foldsAll In Kevin foldsOutland9 foldscudd517 calls 355get_that shows [Th Ts]cudd517 shows [Ad Jd]*** FLOP *** [3d Kd 5s]*** TURN *** [3d Kd 5s] [4c]*** RIVER *** [3d Kd 5s 4c] [4h]get_that shows two pair, Tens and Fourscudd517 shows a pair of Foursget_that wins the pot (1,230) with two pair, Tens and Fours*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1,230 | Rake 0Board: [3d Kd 5s 4c 4h]Seat 1: cudd517 showed [Ad Jd] and lost with a pair of FoursSeat 2: CounselorEp didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: get_that showed [Th Ts] and won (1,230) with two pair, Tens and FoursSeat 4: princedvs didn't bet (folded)Seat 5: abecai (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 6: All In Kevin (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 7: Outland9 (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 8: ZO didn't bet (folded)Seat 9: Beat Man didn't bet (folded)Final hand I had K10 against K7 on K9xQ board when money went in. You can guess river. GL to whoevers still in, I will rail for a while.

[$200nl Full Tilt]

Your push on the river looks exactly like what it is.... as played I would fold this river. I would have pushed the turn. You have good equity vs. his range and it certainly looks like a slowplayed monster. Even if he calls with a badly played monster, you have 12 outs when he holds a set.

Ehh? I would have played a straight or set turned boat almost identical. Actually I wouldn't have played the set like that, slowplaying on that flop, but the majority of LAGs, like this one ,could have so he would be able to identify with me checking the set, betting it on the turn, further slowplaying it by coldcalling a reraise and then pushing after the boat hits on the river. Most players like I'm up against a LAG who sees WAY to many flops. Therefore, he probably isn't the best reader/player. His river bet seems like a bluff or weak semi bluff. If he comes out swinging on turn I dont make this move but how can he check the turn also with a set? I don't think he would.I dont agree it looks like monster rather a resteal on me when I bet and his river bet is basically saying "Oh **** he actually called my reraise, maybe he has a hand" and is just a continuation resteal for an opponent who isnt brave enough to pot it because he is afraid. Also, if you suspect it "certainly" looks like a steal, why push instead of taking a cheap card in hopes he probably wont be able to let his monster go if we hit?

[Ft 200k]

In - first time in this one.

Ditto. Card dead so far. Only hand I got was AK and got one caller who folded after flop hit AKK. Turn brought flush but no such luck.

[Call Me Hellmuth (1/2)]

Not sure if I could fold this live without an extrmely strong read. Actually I decided I wouldn't. AQ or K9 might be making these plays. Maybe even weaker ace. I'd probably go broke here as I can't see him not reraising KK or AA p-flop and the odds of him holding A9 are probably equivilent or more probable then him holding 99. Plus, it's not like he open pushed into a 30 dolalr pot, there is a significant amount of money in pot already.

[88, Standard?]

Considering the flush draw I might call the river bet in case of busted flush draw but other then that when a passive player bets the river and I'm holding third pair I usually let it go unless its some sort of 1/25th pot bet. 50/50 as to calling or folding.

[Q9s]

Obviously limpers are going to be calling as well so I would probably call. However, with this many limpers and a raiser I am playing strictly for flush, straight and two pair or better potential. Floping 9xx or Qxx doesn't bode well with me. I probably fold that flop. Look at it. Disgusting stuff. Two low cards which bring about potential sets, a draw to the flush, a playable queen in which someone probably has better kicker and of course a straight draw not to mention 56 for the two pair. This is assuming original raiser doesn't have monster overpair. With this many limpers odds will say one of those scenarios exist and if you reraise then you could be getting called by draws or monsters, making your job DIFFICULT over the next two streets in determining what callers have.A close second to folding is calling. The chances that it goes around without being reraised aren't great but if they do then it might give your hand hope if turn is total blank or helps your hand. Then again, there aren't many blanks that don't fill some draw or aren't an overcard.Overall, I suggest folding but if you call be prepared to fold for reraise.

[3 To The River..]

preflop is a bit loose but u know that...If you are mixin up the play its good. flop is alrightturn: I bet this probably about half the pot. I want to get callers and u want to build a potriver: I dont fold this ever. Im kinda torn between pushing/calling so ill say that id mix those 2 in depending how i felt on the hand at the moment. Folding is a very -ev situation and never do it

We seem to have some major differences of opinion on this hand.Flop is alright? Why slowplay a vulnerable hand? Yes, the nut straight is a vulnerable hand in this situation. I'm not saying pot bet or jam....well actually I am, bet the pot... After I checked and got a min raise and reraise it seems apparent that one of these two have a solid hand, probably the check raiser. Why not reraise to about 3X the SB's reraise? The only reason you want to slowplay a hand is that you feel you are so far ahead you need to let an opponent catch up to earn some money. This is not the case. Both opponents have shown some sort of interest in pot and if you slowplay you risk not only letting them catch up (2 cards can lead to a split pot) but even letting them PASS you (full house, better straight, runner runner flush, etc). That would be a critical error obviously.You want to build a pot on the flop when you have true nuts. Building a pot on the turn isn't the best thing to do. Your hand just got even more vulnerable and you could be drawing dead. River push is total -EV unless both opponents are ultra LAG and donkeys. Noone is calling pushes with less then trip Q's and so youd have to pray for a strangely played KQ or AQ instead of the more likely, JJ, 88 or JQ.Folding is far from totally -EV. It may be +EV in situations though, I admit. It would help if I knew the limits thought because if these are microlimits then I play hand way different. Im judging this as if its $200-400NL. I would be more inclined to call river bet if we were playing $50NL or perhaps $100NL because players are looser and less knowledgable in general.

[When Posting Hands]

http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter/ go to this site...set the setting as fcp and it should work no problem...you can also use the option of bet the pot...either way should be fine...

Eh. Just notcied Full Tilt isn't among list of supported sites, perhaps that is why.

[100nl Bodog]

Reraise flop to like 12-18. Dont want to scare him off flush draws or weaker Qx.As is, I reraise to about 20-25 on turn. Your reraise on turn is actually giving him great odds for flush (10 dollars into a 46 dollar pot). You could get burned regardless though because the fun part about playing donkeys is you never know what they're betting or calling with. Always a chance that Qx is going to pair their kicker or that the donk is gonna have a real hand. Only way to truly prevent this is play it more cautiously but then you're giving him great odds to his draw. If he cold calls and river blanks I check behind if he checks or cold call. If he pushes it's read dependent. Do you have PT stats? Is he agressive or passive? If his AF is below 1.5-2 I am most likely folding to river push or perhaps pot bet but otherwise I will probably call pot bet. If you catch Q or K I treat it like gold and jam against villian, regardless of his action.If river blanks and he is quite agressive and capable of bluffing, I might call a large bet (maybe even push) if I feel he is capable of betting down the flush draw and pushing after he misses. Would be totally read dependent though

[When Posting Hands]

bump

I usually copy and paste hand history and take out results. This is because I can't figure out how to use hand converter so until then I apologize.