Lavitz
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Fold river. River bet is fine though. Only missed draw is 10J and he would have to have a donktastic read to demolish your blocking bet with that and you actually gain value from some Kx hands.
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Basically, if "you are" makes sense use you're. If "they are" makes sense use they're. Otherwise use the other form.Ex:1.) Your an idiot for slowplaying a flopped set in a 3 way raised pot when a lot of turn cards can kill action or put you behind.2.) You're an idiot for slowplaying....etcSince I can use "you are" then You're is correct. Number 2 is WINNAR. DUCY?
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The 77 hand is awesome on sooo mnay lvlls, from him slowplayin himself into a mess to me thinking I caught him on turn when in realityy I'm down to an out. AKs hand is biggest pot I've taken down with ace high I think and there's almost no handdI beat on that final boaerd except for some crappy flush draw which is exactly what he had. Almost 300BB pot. I was/am drunk for both. wheeeeFullTiltPoker Game #3330966804: Table Beeline (6 max) - $3/$6 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:11:18 ET - 2007/08/22Seat 1: bwitched1 ($852.55)Seat 2: cudd517 ($1,449.75)Seat 3: ColmsUM ($600)Seat 4: SilentSupra ($1,162.05)Seat 5: wuleq ($582)Seat 6: Heotymeo ($109.95)cudd517 posts the small blind of $3ColmsUM posts the big blind of $6The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to cudd517 [Kc Ac]SilentSupra raises to $21wuleq foldsHeotymeo foldsbwitched1 calls $21cudd517 has 15 seconds left to actcudd517 raises to $81ColmsUM foldsSilentSupra calls $60bwitched1 calls $60*** FLOP *** [6c 2c Th]cudd517 bets $192SilentSupra has 15 seconds left to actSilentSupra foldsbwitched1 calls $192*** TURN *** [6c 2c Th] [Jh]cudd517 bets $1,176.75, and is all inbwitched1 calls $579.55, and is all incudd517 shows [Kc Ac]bwitched1 shows [5c 7c]Uncalled bet of $597.20 returned to cudd517*** RIVER *** [6c 2c Th Jh] [9d]cudd517 shows Ace King highbwitched1 shows Jack Ten highcudd517 wins the pot ($1,789.10) with Ace King highbwitched1 is sitting out*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $1,792.10 | Rake $3Board: [6c 2c Th Jh 9d]Seat 1: bwitched1 (button) showed [5c 7c] and lost with Jack Ten highSeat 2: cudd517 (small blind) showed [Kc Ac] and won ($1,789.10) with Ace King highSeat 3: ColmsUM (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 4: SilentSupra folded on the FlopSeat 5: wuleq didn't bet (folded)Seat 6: Heotymeo didn't bet (folded)FullTiltPoker Game #3330738497: Table King Mesa (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:37:47 ET - 2007/08/22Seat 1: snappo ($1,000)Seat 2: cudd517 ($1,266.50)Seat 3: HYPNOTO4D ($1,487.25)Seat 4: Shmegol ($1,280.50)Seat 5: iAmNotAnuMbeR ($1,015)Seat 6: nhinhi9999 ($700)nhinhi9999 posts the small blind of $5snappo posts the big blind of $10The button is in seat #5*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to cudd517 [7h 7s]cudd517 raises to $35HYPNOTO4D foldsShmegol calls $35iAmNotAnuMbeR foldsnhinhi9999 calls $30snappo folds*** FLOP *** [4d 8s 5c]nhinhi9999 checkscudd517 bets $70Shmegol calls $70nhinhi9999 calls $70*** TURN *** [4d 8s 5c] [7c]nhinhi9999 checkscudd517 checksShmegol bets $160nhinhi9999 calls $160cudd517 calls $160*** RIVER *** [4d 8s 5c 7c] [7d]nhinhi9999 checkscudd517 bets $1,001.50, and is all inShmegol raises to $1,015.50, and is all innhinhi9999 foldsUncalled bet of $14 returned to Shmegol*** SHOW DOWN ***Shmegol shows [8c 8d] a full house, Eights full of Sevenscudd517 shows [7h 7s] four of a kind, Sevenscudd517 wins the pot ($2,805) with four of a kind, Sevens*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $2,808 | Rake $3Board: [4d 8s 5c 7c 7d]Seat 1: snappo (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 2: cudd517 showed [7h 7s] and won ($2,805) with four of a kind, SevensSeat 3: HYPNOTO4D didn't bet (folded)Seat 4: Shmegol showed [8c 8d] and lost with a full house, Eights full of SevensSeat 5: iAmNotAnuMbeR (button) didn't bet (folded)Seat 6: nhinhi9999 (small blind) folded on the RiverShmegol: AHAHAHAHAHHFHAFAISPFHLASDHFL:ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSShmegol: asdfgasfdgfdagdfasgsdfgsdShmegol: Fg'Shmegol: sdfShmegol: 'gcudd517: slowplayaments on the flopShmegol: sdfgsadShmegol: fg]f]'Shmegol: ag'fdShmegol: g]]cudd517: LOLOLShmegol has 15 seconds left to actShmegol: 'FGUKINGGGGG full tiltpppShmegol raises to $14, and is all iniAmNotAnuMbeR foldscudd517: ship that sherbertI kind of feel likee an assss and bad but not really.lalz/
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Min reraise and induce a bluff shove or a hand like A10, 99 to push thinking he's good. If hes 3 betting A10 then you are ahead of his range (I wouldn't say "crushed" but ahead for sure.) If you reraise to 3x or more then only hands he's calling with that you beat is A10 and 99. A min reraise can make him do stupid things and if he cold calls it's not a bad thing.
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FYP, we can't fold to this kind of weak turn bet. Villian is nittish for sure but his bet is laying us great odds with a solid hand.Yeah I think you are, but this is usually a line a relate to a set. However folding is incredibly weak -
Never fold this. Not even if they tell you their hand. Learn to hit one outers if your behind obv. See below for example and pay attention to text:Seat 1: mrak82 ($1,389.85)Seat 2: 6speed ($1,226.60)Seat 3: dhmaddog ($285.50)Seat 4: cudd517 ($621)Seat 5: lilrhu ($937.65)Seat 6: SILLYFISH23 ($1,045.35)cudd517 posts the small blind of $3lilrhu posts the big blind of $6The button is in seat #3*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to cudd517 [2c 2h]SILLYFISH23 foldsmrak82 calls $66speed foldsdhmaddog calls $6cudd517 calls $3lilrhu checks*** FLOP *** [6h 9d 2s]cudd517 bets $24lilrhu has 15 seconds left to actlilrhu raises to $48mrak82 foldsdhmaddog foldslilrhu: what im i going to lose to this time?cudd517 has 15 seconds left to actcudd517 calls $24*** TURN *** [6h 9d 2s] [Qd]cudd517 checkslilrhu bets $96cudd517 has 15 seconds left to actcudd517 raises to $258lilrhu has 15 seconds left to actlilrhu: my set no goodlilrhu: 99lilrhu raises to $883.65, and is all incudd517 calls $309, and is all inlilrhu shows [9c 9s]cudd517 shows [2c 2h]Uncalled bet of $316.65 returned to lilrhu*** RIVER *** [6h 9d 2s Qd] [2d]lilrhu shows a full house, Nines full of Twoscudd517 shows four of a kind, Twoscudd517 wins the pot ($1,251) with four of a kind, Twos*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $1,254 | Rake $3Board: [6h 9d 2s Qd 2d]Seat 1: mrak82 folded on the FlopSeat 2: 6speed didn't bet (folded)Seat 3: dhmaddog (button) folded on the FlopSeat 4: cudd517 (small blind) showed [2c 2h] and won ($1,251) with four of a kind, TwosSeat 5: lilrhu (big blind) showed [9c 9s] and lost with a full house, Nines full of TwosSeat 6: SILLYFISH23 didn't bet (folded)
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Someone running at 13/9 or 20/8 is TAG/nitty and won't bluff much. SB is value betting this probably 9 times out of 10 and the 1 time when it is a bluff we still have to worry about button. Once again, from SB's perspective, bluffing this river into two people is pretty -EV.
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Because the board is massively coordinated and I cant think of many hands besides 910 and 10x that we legitimately beat. HU is one thing, but two people called our c-bet. We can bet turn but if we bet turn and get cold called then there is no river besides a K which we're going to be comfortable calling a pot bet with and therefore we just threw pot control with a marginal hand out the window.We had the lead on the flop, what makes us think our KK is behind at the turn without testing it with a bet? -
You're both over 100BB deep. Call flop, you have massive implied odds and he will give up and check/fold turn a lot. Or get it all in now. Either works but his tendency to overplay hands means we probably have little fold equity and if we call and hit our gutshot or flush we can win a massive pot.
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SB never c/c flop with KQ OOP here after a bet and call. Hand played fine. Betting turn is going to inflate pot when we have a mediocre hand on a very coodinated board. Fullhouse/straight is in both villain's range. Not much else we beat is, maybe one having 910 or 10x but that's wishful thinking. SB is almost never bluffing river into 2 people.I bet the turn. Checking let the SB in ... I bet SB had no better than KQ -
Very standard I think. From villian's standpoint, they probably think they're value betting an ace. Also, the pot bets seem a little suspicious from villian because if they really wanted to gain value from a PP or weaker ace (which you're representing), in most instances they wouldn't bet so hard.
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There are numerous situations where it is correct to c-bet and fold to a min reraise.Also, I think Q8 is one hell of a stretch in his hand raise.More I look at this hand, more I like cold calling and reevaluating turn. Folding still better then pushing though.If you're folding this flop against what is essentially a minraise, you should not have c-bet. Folding after C-betting just because you got some resistance is very, very weak in my opinion. You have no idea where you're at in the hand by just folding and you could be losing a lot of value.This is Q10, AJ, AQ, Q8, KQ A LOT. He's LAG too, why would you open fold? -
TT is also in range.
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I understand your decision and raising because a lot of weak/tight players limp is usually +EV but I always like a hand that has decent potential to take down a big pot. Usually hands like 84o and other unsuited, uncoordinated hands, just get you into trouble when you flop a piece and the weak/tight players wake up with a hand, just like what happened here.Agreed, no question. I'd like to point out though that, as I mentioned in the OP, the decision process wasn't "hmm, I'm so talented I think I can make money with hands like 84o against my weak opponents." The decision process was "no one seems to be raising here, we're shorthanded, and a couple of these people love seeing flops but are otherwise timid and don't make a lot of moves. If it isn't already a limpfest, I'm going to make a button-raise, probably get one or two callers, and then c-bet any uncoordinated board that gets checked to me." I still think that is very +EV. I'm likely to take down a small pot of $15 or so most of the time, and from a meta-game perspective, I start getting them thinking that I raise loose enough that their one pair or ace-high is good. If I had trickier/more aggressive opponents, it would be -EV. If they'd already seen me show down weak hands on the button, it would be -EV. In both those cases, though, the way to beat my opponents is by inducing bluffs, setting traps, or making them misread my hand. There isn't a lot of value in inducing bluffs or setting traps if an opponent doesn't bluff and/or doesn't raise without an absolute monster.In case anyone is curious, in the actual hand I thought hard and decided A) he probably wasn't making a move here, he probably legitimately thought he had the best hand, B)that included an overpair, 54, any set, and either possible straight, C) there was no way he had me on two pair here, but that doesn't affect his range because he thinks he's ahead of my potential overpair, and D)stupid deep stacks! Stupid two pair! I concluded that folding was better than raising or calling, and raising and calling were virtually equivalent since I shouldn't be calling the $100 if I wouldn't call the next $200. I also decided I likely had no fold equity here. I should decide if I'm ahead or behind, fold if behind, raise if ahead.So, of course, I called. I think the acronym is ISANL, no?River was a 6, villain checked, I checked behind, he showed down his set of 5s, and I started to wonder what all the internet guys would tell me. I'm bound to get better eventually, right? Right?...
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Not taking control of this hand put you in a bad situation because from his perspective if he limped a hand like AQ-A9, the 5 changes nothing and he is still betting for value...I probably peel another and if he fires hard on river I'm folding without improvement.
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Don't read books. Surf the strategy forums on here and other sites for hands and how they are played. Or drop $100-$300 an hr for a poker coach.
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Um, this hand is really more simple then half the people here are making it out to be. Here:Clay: OMG BUTTON STEAL + AKs= NUTS72o: Well hes obviously on resteal, time to shove and think of metagame if I can show this big ole bluff.Clay: Haha not folding AKs to button steal +4bet with those odds72o: Sweet, I'm not even dominated.Also, AKs is usually not ever overplayed against habitual button stealers at high limits.Since it's just one hand I'd have to guess that Ozzy knows something about Clay. I mean, c'mon...AKs seems overplayed here IMO. Unless you can actually see Ozzy's cards somehow I like Ozzy's all-in push MUCH MORE than Clay's all-in call.EDIT:Furthermore, when was action a "bad" thing for the game!?! What ruins the game is cheats and nits. -
Obviously if he steals the pot and shows down 72o everyone hops on the bandwagon and everyone is like OMGBBQWTFZ this guypwnzlolz.I think this hand is hilarious.
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Fold to min raise AINEC. You could realistically be drawing to two outs or runner runner full house and most likely are.
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The key with playing LAG is still raising profitable hands that have the potential to win big pots. Hands like 107s and 78o aren't great but due to their flush/straight possibilities, they have the potential to take down a big pot if they hit. 84o has no real potential other then flopping trips or 2 pair and even when you do have two pair (like in this hand) you aren't sure if you're even good. At the casino I play at the play mixes between loose/passive and loose/aggressive usually. Online is much more difficult. While you might be able to get away with steamrolling the table a bit where you play, you should still never be playing, let alone raising 84o. Even if you make it somehow profitable in the short run, it's almost never going to be a winner long term and once you increase in stakes, people are going to start 3 betting the hell out of you, especially once you show down a hand like that.Really? At relatively tight 1-2 nl tables, I find that most of my money is coming from preflop raises followed by continuation bets. Raise to $12 when it isn't a mega-limpfest up front, get a caller or two, fire at an uncoordinated board, take down a nice smallish pot. More importantly, this sets me up to get action when I have a real hand. Pot-sized bets aren't the norm at these tables b/c most players are a little too timid, plus the action is often 8-way preflop, meaning no one wants to get too involved with a non-monster. I find that if I haven't raised and continued very often at a table yet, I'm unlikely to make much money on my legitimately big hands unless someone else has a very big second-best hand.The preflop and flop bets were pretty much programmed. My table image was a null set for all but two players, and both of them are there because they "like to gamble." The preflop raise and c-bet on an 852 board will work 70-80% of the time. If no one else is going to be the aggressive player at that table, there's plenty of money in playing that role. It isn't even generally about "outplaying someone after the flop." It's just a standard play based on the flop missing people 2/3 of the time.When he called my flop bet, the plan was to go into pot control mode. Spiking the 4 changed things because now I beat so much of his check-calling range. I don't beat much of his check-raising range, but happen to have a much stronger-than-expected hand, so I felt I had a challenging decision to make (and thus one worth posting and getting feedback on).Maybe at 2/4nl and above there are enough aggressive/savvy players that this is totally spew. I certainly wouldn't try this once I'd established a loose table image or against players who seem likely to float or set up plays. But this is $1/2 nl in Atlantic City on the weekend. I've been thinking that I don't make this raise-continue play often enough in these settings, because the success rate is so off-the-charts high until people have gotten tired of the raises and decided they want to look me up.With that said, Lag is new to me, so I'd be interested to hear if all the profitable lags think I'm fooling myself about the value of this sort of play in this sort of setting. I thought the early stages of the hand weren't worth discussing, but this just got more interesting. -
Either reraise flop or push over his bet on turn.
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This is JQ or K10 a lot. J9s and Q9s are also in his range. Only hands you beat are QK, AQ and 10x and I think he cold calls a hand like 10J or 10x. I'm leaning towards a fold.Blah, just noticed full ring. Not sure if K10 is in his range then. I still think JQ is. 99 also becomes a possibility. I still like folding. We beat QK and AQ. Trying to go to river cheaply might be a good idea as well. He's never bluffing here though for sure.
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A draw or a PP. Sometimes a 9.If we shove, what calls that we beat? KK maybe? Anything else? -
I had no idea you guys played such nosebleed stakes....
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