Lavitz
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If UTG is limping 3/4 pots I think checking this turn is missing a lot of value. We are crushing his typical range here.As played, we can only cold call river.
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I do check/raise the river if I'm fairly sure villian will fire with weaker hand often but I don't think this villian has seen me do it, and if he has, he certainly hasn't seen me check/raise bluff the river. So I think this has really no standing here. I also usually play LAG but at the time cards and table structure dictated TAG play.I will pull this line every time I have a monster as well because I think that the ace is a huge part of villian's range and he is almost always firing this river to either take me off a hand with air or if he has an ace. Yes, most people will fire this river with trips but it isn't the most profitable situation. If I fire river with trips he calls with an ace and I win one pot bet. If I check/raise I can earn two+ pot bets at the most and one pot bet at the minimum since he will almost always fire here.I also think river check raises from TAGs are more scary then river check raises from LAGs simply because a LAG is more likely to be playing loose/wilder then a TAG and is more likely to get out of hand with a river check-raise. Overall, I still say if I am villian with AKo, it is very -EV to call this bet on river against solid opponents."Most" responses might be that, but I don't think I'd be telling you that. No, I wouldn't feel great about the call, but like I said...the story's inconsistent, so it's a call that you'd need to make with an ace.You've keyed in on the "typical" line for trips or house...you would've probably just lead the river after the turn checked through. If you would've pulled this same check-raise with all those real hands that you mentioned, fine...the bluffs more believable...but I don't think it's a very profitable line from a TAG. River check-raises with strong hands are good lines from LAG tricky opponents because there's a great deal of doubt about what they hold.Like I said...a slightly thinking villain given these images may fold an ace here, but if he thinks deeply at all...why would you pull this line? If you truly have a strong hand, it's much more likely that you'll get a big bet called on the river than you'll get your check-raise called.As AK said, I do complement you on the multi-level thinking...but we're just warning you that in this particular scenario, the river check-raise isn't a particularly good line. -
A hand almost identical to this was posted on 2+2 a few weeks ago or so. Predictably, the responses consisted of "fold" times 100 saying villian showed up with a hand more often then not.I originally planned to post myself as villian with a hand like AQ and then my move a month later but I decided I was too lazy and I didn't feel like waiting a month.Edit: I think it's wrong to say a good TAG almost never has an 8 here. That's much too narrow of a range for 6 max, even for a TAG.A good TAG almost never shows up here with an 8 here when he calls preflop vs. a LAG. Implied odds, where 8 type of hands rely on are simply not there most of the time vs. a LAG.Also, just post the hand 3 months fromnow fro the other perspective with AK and look at the responses. I've done this a few times and it can be interesting at times. -
I agree with this. I think the most obvious thing is that I check/raised with an ace hitting river, when villian knows he was preflop raiser and that card was supposed to be a scare card for me. If I posted this hand with me being villian and having AK, I really think many of these same opinions would be saying "fold fold fold" especially if villian was comptent (which I hope I am seen as)because the truth is, all we beat is a busted flush draw. I think it also helps that villian has never seen me bluff and is competent himself.Also, although I personally would reraise a set on this flop because it was so coordinated, it is not uncommon for people to cold call on it and after hitting turn full house, further slowplaying.As for my "story", I think it is actually more believable that I have something like trips then a busted flush draw. I think many people who turn trips like I am representing, don't lead the turn. They usually check turn and fire river. I just replaced firing river with check/raising because it is a much more powerful play. I could have hands like 68,89, or A8 which call his flop continuation bet then trip up on turn. I actually think calling this river c/r is -EV with AK against a TAG because like I said, all we beat is air and how many TAG players pull this move with a busted flush draw? Not many. On a side note, for all those people saying I played it like a busted flush draw, would the story be more believable if flop was rainbow?I disagree about what this line looks like and I think if we made the same post from the villain's perspective while holding AK, everyone would be saying, "Fold. You can only beat a bluff. Looks like 8-9 to me."If you think the villain can fold AK or whatever ace he's likely to have here, I think it works. In my game, this gets called every single time. -
LOLpaul wasicka folded there too... -
I like donk min reraising turn. If he has a draw he isnt folding and if he has a 10 there is a very good possibility that he will come back over the top. Also, if he is doing this with an ace, which is pretty unlikely, it will hopefully price him in for bigger river bet. That river bet is too small. He likely has a hand like 910 or 10J and will pay off a big bet.
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Villian is LAG. I felt he wouldn't 2 barrel a scary board like that if I check called with air. River hits his range for sure. I'm repping an 8/straight/or boat. The only hand he can put me on and call is air. Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $2/$45 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $452.90CO: $621.40Button: $221SB: $194.90Hero: $400Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 6
6 UTG folds, CO raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero calls.Flop: 5 
7 8 ($30, 2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $24, Hero calls.Turn: 8 
($78, 2 players)Hero checks, CO checks.River: A ($78, 2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $55, Hero raises to $200, -
Betting more on flop against a shortstack just means we commit ourselves to an underpair and are forced to call when he pushes and when he does push we will be dominated in most cases. Betting 2/3 pot is fine I think. it's not really "weak" unless the OP usually makes his c-bets pot sized and shortstack knows this (unlikely). Most of my c-bets are 2/3 potish.A. against a shortie, yes, I do, actually .... you can't give him weasel room here, or he'll take it ... he has less at risk, and he's going to throw everything at you when he senses weaknessB. Anything that happens after the weak flop bet IS probably a fold ... We open up pots for stealing when we don't defend our PPs. This really isn't a terrifying board. -
I think him posting here apologizing is trying to "accept responsibility" and his mentioning of being drunk isn't really an excuse rather an explanation.Why not just accept responsibility for your stupidity and take it like a man? Instead you blame it on alcohol assuming that people will understand and be perfectly fine about it. I have nothing against you and quite frankly don't care about rickroll'd posts but just fess up like a man and take this one up the tail pipe and live to post another day. -
I'm usually pushing flop but since you saw turn, it was the safest card you could hope for. You gotta push turn.
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Fold. He 3 bet and then min check raised Q10x flop. This is QQ/AA a LOT. Any other pocket pair makes no sense (besides maybe 1010) and I really dont see AK doing this unless it is maybe AKdd in which he ha a massive draw.Also, since button is probably gonna call after we call 3 bet, I like 4 betting to try and get pot HU.
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3 betting twice in 2 orbits at 6 max is a lot. Of course not enough sample size to determine anything but if he averaged 3 betting once an orbit that would be a huge leak because he can't possibly be getting dealt quality raising hands every orbit, let alone 3 betting hands.He just joined the table and i had stats on him from before..but as i said, there was a glitch in the PAhud stats.... from this session, it's the second time he's 3bet me in 2 orbits. -
Overbet. Push all in. I dont think youre losing any value because nothing else is calling you beside an ace and quads. If you use a weak value bet he MIGHT call with a PP if he is REALLY BAD but you lose value when he cold calls with an ace.If he has quads oh well. That would just be sick
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We have to call this shove once we check/raise but don't feel good about it.If his stats are 26/20/6 then I feel quite comfortable with this line but if they're 12/10/6 then that is very nittish, especially for 6 max.Nonetheless, does he frequently 3 bet or was that other hand where he did it the first time you noticed?
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If this is 6 max I think its a certain call.Also, I dont think he would limp/call QQ and call flop and turn on that board.what an ugly situation...I honestly don't see much that we beat here. If he's a nit...is he limping ATs UTG? possibly but unlikely. It's not even 6-max. His range is AK,AQ, AJ? I don't know..not very often he turns of AJ....also, he could have QQ/JJ/44 and that's basically it imo...and we're beating none of these hands. It's hard to fold this, but you have to in this situation. -
This is a fold. Although sometimes shortstacks do stupid things and push with hands like A6 here, more then not he has a jack. If there was a flush draw it would be a little closer because he might be raising that.
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Defending blinds is huge in SNG/tournies.Not so much in cash games although you will see people 3 bet marginal hands against button raises all the time.
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The more i look at it I think hes likely to play a draw like this so I'm gonna take sets out of his range because that flop lead would be horrible for a set. AKd,JKd,K10d,A10d all probably play this same way. I think someone argued if he had one of these hands that he would be more likely to cold call your reraise but I think that is pretty weak. From a general standpoint, he can be seen on a steal, throwing out a standard c-bet and you can be reraising his c-bet with a wide variety of hands, especially since you're LAG. Therefore, if I am him, it's better to reraise and put you on a decision with a lot of fold equity rather then cold call and see a turn card, which being a blank (and most of the time it will be), means he probably gets pushed off a big pot. I'm only folding this if the guy is a complete nit.PS. Would he really raise 67o? I didn't put that in his range because I just thought it was a bit too weak, even for this guy.I know this thread got long in a hurry, but you should read some of the other responses because you basically nail down that I likely have no FE, and that almost all of his range is made up of sets, 67 (suited or not) and the JTdd draw, against which I'm not in good shape.
QFT. He had the worst possible hand and even then you weren't dominated. With so much money in I think you're getting odds to push this everytime.It's still a push. -
Haven't read replies but I'm probably pushing here. Why would he bet an overpair/set so weak on such a drawy board? Most likely he himself has a draw and we have every draw killed pretty much since we also caught a pair. He might have a hand like 10
J . If he donked up the flop and does have something like a set/overpair we're not necessarily in horrible shape. I think we're barely behind/decently ahead of his range which I put on 10Jo,10Jdd-10Add,45dd,56dd,67dd. The only hand that has us killed is 67dd. If we throw in some other garbagy draw hands or the fact he might be suspecting you making a play on him and he is doing this with trash, I think we have a +EV push.PS I think we still have some fold equity also which is great. -
Reads? if he flopped something monsterous like a boat why would he cold call it to flop min bet but then reraise our bet, giving us a chance to get away from our hand? Some players do it, and it's in his range to have a monster, but if he does, I really don't like how he played it.Is this guy tight? Is a 4 in his range? He could be playing a hand like A9 or a flush draw like this. If we have no reads I might be going to the felt with this. If board is rainbow it makes decision much harder.
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Correct with CO guess. Reasonable line with 77, noone has shown interest on flop, gets called and slows down then hits 2 outer on river. Ca ching.Off with UTG. He check/calls flop OOP, checks turn (despite 2 flush draws) and value bets river and comes over top of value reraise on a paired board with possible flush. If he had a hand like A5 I think he either cold calls or dumps being TAG on river. Instead he throws in push. He had 55.The hand would've been more interesting if 77 took a passive line and checked flop. Then turn wouldve came rag giving me flush draw and I either lead out, UTG calls and CO could call, or I might check, UTG might throw small vale bet, CO would prolly call and I would most likely call getting odds to the flush. Then river would've spiked me a nut flush and I probably would've lost a healthy pot sized bet right there (although I wouldn't have went broke, considering villians) betting it out. Luckily for me, CO bet flop.Edit: I also thought of JJ but figured UTG would've 3 bet it and I thought for sure CO, with blinds still to act, would've 3 bet it to cut field down and try to get HU.My instant reaction is A,5s from UTG (or very well could be J,J) and 7,7 from C/O from TAG players.If i had to guess witout knowing anything.i would say C/O has K,J QJ, AJ type hand. and UTG holds 5,6s type hand.but because u said TAG, the line on the flop and turn could easily be 77 for C/O. He was called when he tried to buy the flop, now he's looking to keep it cheap just incase UTG has a J.UTG must be putting C/O on K,J AJ, and thinks his A5 type hand is a monster. -
Yea but the funniest part about this hand was besides being a bit too aggro, prior to this hand I hadn't noticed the guy get out of line with anything. He had a high aggression rating but hadn't shown down any big bluffs or anything and I think he was actually on another one of my tables. His PT stats were typical of a LAG but not a donkish one who sees like 40+% of flops.But the minimum I'm calling that flop bet with is AK without any significant reads and I'm not laying down anything I called flop with on turn unless I floated so him pushing turn=suicide.Its funny you posted this.I was takin a dump tonight and it dawned on me. The online players numbers have gone down a lot because of the bill to ban online poker etc... Lots of low level donks cant get around the hassle to deposit again, same problem with newbies. so where are the donks who luckboxed there way up for a few months? u know the kind... they play super aggro style and its payed off enough for them that they can jump a level or two.now they are playing higher limits outside of their rolls with no real grasp on how they got to that level.anyways, NH -
Yea KK needs to lay down that flop fo sho.Now see if you can put these guys on their hands. I managed too.
Both were TAGs:Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $3/$66 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $1085.20UTG+1: $1769.25CO: $756Button: $1256.95SB: $657BB: $678.45Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with A T Hero raises to $21, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, 3 folds.Flop: 5 J 5 ($72, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets $60, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls.Turn: 2 ($192, 2 players)UTG+1 checks, CO checks.River: 7 ($192, 2 players)UTG+1 bets $100, CO raises to $400, UTG+1 raises to $900, CO calls all-in $275.Uncalled bets: $225 returned to UTG+1.Results:Final pot: $1542 -
AQ is supposed to be the one getting anally raped by hands like AK though, not the other way around.
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I like making a very small reraise to like $75 to bloat the pot. We have position and for another 45 bucks the old man probably isn't folding. BB might not fold either but he's on big blind special so he most likely has something like Qx in which we don't really have much to fear even if he tags along.